I find this fascinating. 

Apparently what I said is almost entirely wrong.

What I said was 'I was taught that.......' I do not
recollect Don Myers being in my classrooms as an
undergraduate (or during my MSC for that matter). 

You know, I welcome criticism, especially when I get
things wrong. I have a big problem with people who do
not actually read what I write but react at some
visceral level to what they think I said.

Also, I must be really stupid, because the comments
given by Don include the statement

" If any of the conditions in the theorem are not
satisfied then the theorem may not apply. "

Which, I am fairly sure, is what I was trying to say.
Isobel Clark
http://uk.geocities.com/drisobelclark/resume


 --- "Donald E. Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Regrettably the following statement by I. Clark is
> almost entirely wrong
> See below for a correct statement of the CLT, the
> problem in part is 
> simply carelessness in terminology and replacing
> correct 
> statements/formulations by sort of heuristic ones
> (which are not correct)
> Donald E. Myers
> http://www.u.arizona.edu/~donaldm
>
***********************************************************************
> Isobel Clark wrote:
> 
> >>The reason is simple and comprehensive....
> >>
> >>Assume a population with ANY distribution of
> >>elements. Then randomly select
> >>a number of sample elements from the population to
> >>characterize the
> >>underlying population. That distribution of sample
> >>elements ALWAYS tends
> >>toward a normal [Gaussian] distribution. And the
> >>mean and standard deviation
> >>of the sample distribution are unbiased
> >>representations of the mean and
> >>standard deviation of the underlying population.
> >>
> >
> >
>
***************************************************************************
> 
> CLT
> Let X_1,...., X_n be a sequence of independent,
> identically distributed 
> random variables with common mean m and common
> standard deviation 
>  sigma. Let Z_n  be defined as a normalized sum
> 
> Z_n  =     [S_n  - m]/ (sigma/sqt root of n),      
> S_n   =   [Z_1 
> +.....+ X_n]/n
> 
> S_n is the sample mean
> 
> Let  F_n(z) be the cumulative probability
> distribution function for Z_n 
> and let G(z) be the cumulative probability
> distribution function for the 
> standard Normal,. Then   F_n(z) --> G(z)  as n
> increases.
> 
> Note two things about this statement, (1) the
> theorem does not say how 
> "fast"  the cdf for Z_n approaches the standard
> Normal, (2) the speed of 
> convergence depends on  z. Also the speed of
> convergence depends on the 
> distribution type of the X_i's
> 
> If any of the conditions in the theorem are not
> satisfied then the 
> theorem may not apply. The convergence in this
> theorem is what is called 
> "convergence in distribution", this is one of the
> weakest forms of 
> convergence for a sequence of random variables. 
> There are theorems that 
> will give estimates or bounds on the speed of
> convergence. There are 
> also special cases of this theorem that are somewhat
> simpler such as the 
> the Normal approximation to the Binomial
> 
> The simplest proof of the theorem above uses
> characteristic functions 
>  (Fourier Transforms of the densities).
>  

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