Re: 164 4 Cam Engine, was Re: [alfa] Re: 164 Euro Lamps

Fri, 11 Dec 2009 17:07:06 -0800

I think home-mades and kit cars fall outside of US DOT jurisdiction. As far as most states are concerned (I know this is true of California) The car is always registered as the "donor" make and if only an engine and tranny is used from another vehicle, then the car registration is designed off of the engine donor. Smog certification is the same. If the engine used in a kit or home-made car comes from a street vehicle, then the smog rules that apply to the kit or home-made vehicle are those in force for that donor and the year in which it was first registered. IOW, if one built a GT-40 replica (or bought one of those as a "semi-kit" from a dealer representing the maker - like for a CAV or a Superformance GT-40 replica from South Africa) and used a Ford 289 engine from the late 1960's, then the car would be registered as a late '60's Ford car. This means that it can have carburetors, and would fall under the pre-1976 model year smog rules - no semi-annual smog check. If, OTOH, one were to build a kit (like the Hawk Lancia Startos replica) and installed the drive-train from a 1994 24-valve Alfa 164, (Go to their web site. This is what is most often done for these cars - an FWD Alfa V6 http://www.hawkcars.co.uk/hf3000/ index.html), then that car would have to be smogged every two years at a test-only facility as a 1994 Alfa 164. I also believe that before one can get a kit or home-made registered, one has to visit a smog tech center/arbitration center and have the car checked over for emissions and entered into the CA database system. Otherwise it would never show up on a normal smog station's computer and the techs there wouldn't know how to proceed. 

George Graves
'86 GTV-6 3.0 'S'




On Dec 11, 2009, at 3:58 PM, The Baylys wrote:


Russ, sounds like a big task to me.  Have you instead considered  
building a spaceframe clubman and using the 164 driveline in RWD  
configuration (if a clubman is legal in the US)?  You could build  
your own or modify an existing kit.



I imagine it would be nigh-on impossible to fit it all under an X-19  
and if you try doing it to a Fiero you would be immediately struck  
by lightening and go straight to hell....................  ;-)


Beatle
Oz

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   Actually, I was thinking of stuffing the whole thing in a Fiat  
X-19,
which probably would not work.  A Fiero chassis is larger and has  
removable

plastic body work.  So I could make it look like a Stradale.


   OK, I am 61 years old and have more than enough Alfa projects to  
last me

the rest of my life.  So this endeavor will probably never happen.
   Maybe I should put it in my Milano.  Clearance for the brake
booster might be the major obstacle.

Ciao,
Russ Neely
Oklahoma City



--- On Thu, 12/10/09, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:


From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: 164 4 Cam Engine, was Re: [alfa] Re: 164 Euro Lamps
To: "Russell Neely" <[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 10:17 AM



I cannot say with any certainity but as the transmissions were the  
same for

the whole 164 run, I'd say that they'd bolt up.


Only concern I'd have is the TCU (if so equipped) and getting back  
up lights
to work when reverse is engaged, depending on how you're planning  
on doing the

swap.



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From: Russell Neely <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:12:41 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: 164 4 Cam Engine, was Re: [alfa] Re: 164 Euro Lamps







   There is a dark blue 164 LS for sale here in Oklahoma City.   
Owner wants

$2,000.  I offered $1000 for the engine only.

   This Alfa is an automatic with about 157,000 miles.  The  
automatic is
going out and the front suspension / driveshafts has problems.  I  
am not sure

exactly.
   The engine is good with nearly new timing belt and new idlers.


   Can anyone tell me if the 4 cam engine bolts up to a five speed  
from a

common Alfa like the 164 L or base model?

Ciao,
Russ Neely




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On another note, I was at a cash for clunkers auction at Manheim  
the other
week, a 95 Alfa 164LS with 232,000 miles sold for $500. I was more  
taken aback

with the mileage, especially since it was a 24v car!

Nick

In Washington, DC looking for a white '95 164Q
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