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------- Additional comments from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jul 19 09:45:52 -0700 2006 ------- Thanks for the link to issue 3997. This points to my biggest problem with OOo as all my work is scientific in nature and charting the data is a major headache. I have downloaded and did a quick glance at the documentation for the New Chart. I am downloading the tar.gz file and I will see if I can figure it out. Now looking at the specifications in FlexibleSourceRangeSelection.sxw, I see that they still don't want to show the X series (except for scatter charts). This is a problem as there are many times that I want to reverse the X<>Y series for X/Y line charts. I do like the ability to change the order of the series with simple up/down arrows. The nice feature of the QP dialog with all the series displayed is you can quickly compare between the different series when there are problems. Now I don't see how to edit the Titles in the selection dialog. Many charts that I do are split or only sections of the whole table. The titles are in individual cells or can be manually entered. I don't see any place to change the titles when I edit a chart. Looking at the specifications for the chart wizard, what can I say. It isn't that much better than what we have now. I don't see the individual series listed. I don't see legend selection. I don't see X2 or Y2 Axis lables. Now it has been awhile since I have used QP but the "Wizard" and the "Chart properties" dialogs are the same. Once I selected the series I wanted, the chart properties dialog opened. This was the same interface and saved learning two different tools. Also allowed fine tuning for customized charts so you didn't have to go back and change properties. Isn't the Wizard supposed to make life easier and quicker? With a limited Wizard, then there is the need to go back and change properties that the user is not allowed ot change in the Wizard. Editting properties is a major time consuming task for me. Now if details are required. I submitted the QP document as a tool for those that seem so Excell focussed. I hated Excell and I really don't like OOos charting either. It showed a different approach to charting. The document is a quick tuturial to using QP. It uses a simple chart which is no different to what most charting programs do. The biggest point is the UI when you go to create the chart. As I said before the Wizard allows much more control over the chart. It doesn't leave me wanting. Page 3 of the pdf shows this in detail. Select the ranges as in both Calc and QP and go to create the chart. In QP I get a dialog that allow me to confirm the series or make custom changes. I can quickly see my X and Y series. In OOo, I have to look through a single line of series to confirm my data. Now as I have experienced, this can be really difficult when there are large data sets, especially when the data is not in adjoining columns (simple example). I can now simplily delete the unwanted series. To expand, lets say I have a chart that uses data in Columns C, F, G, J, L. In OOo, I could select the individual columns to use the Wizard but if the data is over thousands of rows, this can be a real pain. In QP, I can select columns C through L and then when the Wizard opens up, I can delete D, E, H, I and K. Now this has just saved me minutes of selecting. And yes, I have many spreadsheets that I am working with that have thousands of rows of data. Now this also expands into editting charts. In many cases, I will create a massive chart for general over view of data. Then I want just parts of the whole chart. I want to do this on the fly with the current chart configuration, not a new chart where I have to edit all the different parts again. I will then copy the chart and edit the series. At present I have a real nightmare going through the single series dialog. It will be better in Chart 2 with the series on different displays does not make it easy to edit each one individually. I have to remember offsets and or copy and past and edit the series. This is easy if all the rows series line up per rows but if they don't, then I have to do allot of post playing going between the spreadsheet and the properties dialog. I hope this explains the benefit of all the series, including the X-series being displayed at the same time. It makes it easy to customize and select parts of a pre-created chart on the fly. If I see something in an overall chart, I can then quickly edit a chart to create a "zoom" of something that may be important. If the developers can create one very useful dialog that will work as both the Wizard and the edit properties, then some work can be saved. It also makes it easier for the user. I have lost many settings when I go to change the data range with the present chart as I have to "create" a new chart, not edit the range of the present chart and undo would not recover so I had to exit and start again. One example of this is secondary "Y" axis which doesn't have a label property. Also, selecting a line in the graph, the properties should bring me the data series as one of the properties. I hope I have answered the questions but if there are more, please post and I will try to expand. I believe in simple tools, not complicated menus or dialogs that require 10 clicks to get something done. I guess the easiest is for someone to actually use QP with some scientific data sets and see the difference. I will see if I can clean up some of my data sets to upload as examples. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Please do not reply to this automatically generated notification from Issue Tracker. 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