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What I do, typically and for this test (normally I vary between mouse-clicking
and keyboard shortcuts): Create a new document (ctrl-n). I often save the texts
of emails from my Yahoo account; for this test, I'm using Yahoo's home and news
pages instead of one of my emails. Select all elsewhere (the non-OOo source's
character encoding is unknown or varied), copy, & ctrl-shift-v (Paste Special)
as unformatted text (default). Scroll up. File menu > Save As > Save dialog >
Name > "1" (without quote marks; I often name files by numbering them); also in
Save dialog > Browse for other folders > 1.0G Removable Media (my
already-mounted flash stick); also in Save dialog > Create Folder > "OOo Writer
Test" & press Enter key; also in Save dialog > unlabeled menu with tooltip
"Select which types of files are shown" (defaulting to ODF Text Document (.odt))
> Text Encoded (.txt); also in Save dialog > File type > Text Encoded (thus
changing label from "File type" to "File type: Text Encoded (.txt)"; also in
Save dialog > Edit filter settings > checkbox on (I often skip this step since
I'm usually consistent on those settings); also in Save dialog > Save button.
Dialog with question mark in red triangle appears saying "This document may
contain formatting or content that cannot be saved in the Text Encoded file
format. . . . Click 'Yes' to save in Text Encoded file format. . . ." (This
effectively confirms my file type choice.) Click Yes. ASCII Filter Options
dialog > Properties > Character set preset to "Western Europe (ISO-8859-1)" &
Paragraph break preset to CR & LF radio option. Click OK button. In document,
ctrl-a (equivalent to Edit menu > Select All). Delete key. Copy new content
(from a Yahoo news page). Paste Special as unformatted. File menu > Save As >
Save dialog > Name > "2" (without quote marks) & Save button. Ctrl-o (I don't
usually do this step but it illustrates current conditions so I'm doing it now)
> Open dialog showing "All files" shows 1.txt & 2.txt; also true when menu that
defaults to All files is set to Text, Text Encoded, or Text documents, but also
when set to Spreadsheets, although not when set to DocBook (the files are not
spreadsheets or DocBooks); restore menu to Text Encoded; cancel dialog. Ctrl-a &
Delete key. Copy & Paste Special unformatted new text. File menu > Save As >
Save dialog > Name > "1" (without quote marks & accepting default entry); also
in Save dialog > Browse for other folders > usbdisk (thus going up 1 level) &
Create Folder > "OOo Writer test 2" (without quote marks) & press Enter key;
also in Save dialog > unlabeled menu with tooltip "Select which types of files
are shown" > already at Text Encoded (.txt) (left alone) (& File type left
alone); & Save button. Dialog with question mark in red triangle appears saying
"This document may contain formatting or content that cannot be saved in the
Text file format. . . . Click 'Yes' to save in Text file format. . . ." (This
effectively disconfirms my file type choice, because the dialog now says Text
and doesn't say Text Encoded.) Click Yes.
For this test, I closed the file & unmounted the flash. I inserted the flash
into my Win98SE machine and, via Windows Notepad, found the effect of the file
that I expected would be Text Encoded being only Text. The first and third files
have the same name, 1.txt; in case I'd have difficulty attaching both to this
issue report, in Windows I renamed the latter file "1 (2d fldr).txt" (without
quotes); it's the one with the ill effects (missing-character symbols instead of
visible paragraph breaks).
An earlier test did not show the effect. The steps are described below to permit
comparison. The key difference appears to be that after successful saves as Text
Encoded I went up in the flash drive's hierarchy before creating a new
directory. No ill effect was found when I didn't go up, but merely created a
subfolder down in the folder where I had already saved. There are other
differences between the 2 tests, such as where content originated,
pasting-special vs. typing, and saving to flash or floppy, but probably going up
and over within 1 drive's hierarchy is the key to losing the format selection.
On your specific concerns:
-- Destination folders are all local.
-- I avoid unusual characters in the path or filenames. Characters are
generally nondiacritical alphanumeric, hyphen (not at beginning), underscore,
parenthesis, soft space (spacebar), straight apostrophe, comma, and 1 dot (not
at beginning).
-- Encoding I choose for saving: ISO-8859-1. I also opt for CR & LF.
-- I don't import into Writer. I save.
-- Because it took a long time to install OOo 2.4.0, I'd rather not install
a newer version every time one comes out. Since 2.4.0 is recent, I assume you
already know what you have and haven't changed since 2.4.0.
-- I'm not certain what you mean by a native version of OOo. I don't use an
OS emulator. I'm running OOo on Linux Fedora Core 4 with Gnome on a 2GHz P4 Dell
Latitude C840 laptop. If you mean using native format, I need wide
cross-platform flexibility and Text Encoded offers that.
I rarely run the desktop for KDE 3.4.0-6 Red Hat but have noticed that only 1
file type menu appears in the Open and Save dialogs for OOo Writer when running
KDE, which seems relevant to this issue because the test would have been
reported differently. Writer with Gnome 2.10.0 shows 2 menus, as reported here.
I think that covers test and experiential conditions adequately.
What I get: After the up-and-over change of destination, the next file saves as
Text, not as Text Encoded. How I first noticed something was remiss was that
after I saved various files saved as described here I opened them in Windows
Notepad. The failed files failed to break paragraphs. Text Encoded in Notepad
shows paragraph breaks but Text in Notepad shows missing-character symbols
instead of the paragraph breaks.
During this test, I discovered that the dialog alerting me to possible loss of
format or content due to Text Encoded being chosen also revealed that Text was
the format. Technically, that's all the notice one needs. A user should read
every word of every alert no matter how repetitively it appears. The reality is
that we don't when a glance tells us it's the same alert we usually see and that
there's nothing to worry about, because we know what to do. That is why alerts
with different purposes have different looks, not only in primary icons but also
in size, position, aspect ratio, button choices, and so on.
What I expect: Having set the file type for the first-saved file to Text Encoded
and not having changed it since, the second-saved and third-saved files should
also be Text Encoded without my having to reset the file type each time, even if
I change destination folders.
An alternative expectation is that the question mark red triangle icon should be
preceded by an alert that the file type is being changed. To do so only requires
that OOo keep track of the last chosen file type and, if circumstances warrant
OOo changing it, that OOo show a separate alert telling us and giving us a means
to change it to suit our needs.
This is the earlier test without ill effect, presented here for your comparative
analysis: Create a document. File menu > Save As > Save dialog > Name > "1"
(without quote marks); also in Save dialog > Browse for other folders > usbdisk
(my flash stick); also in Save dialog > Create Folder > "OOo test" & press Enter
key; also in Save dialog > unlabeled menu with tooltip "Select which types of
files are shown" > Text Encoded (.txt); also in Save dialog > File type > Text
Encoded (thus changing label from "File type" to "File type: Text Encoded
(.txt)"; also in Save dialog > Edit filter settings > checkbox on; also in Save
dialog > Save button. Warning dialog appeared saying "This document may contain
formatting or content that cannot be saved in the Text Encoded file format. . .
. Click 'Yes' to save in Text Encoded file format. . . ." Clicked Yes. ASCII
Filter Options dialog > Properties > Character set preset to "Western Europe
(ISO-8859-1)", Paragraph break preset to CR & LF radio option, & OK button
clicked. In document, ctrl-a (equivalent to Edit menu > Select All). Delete key.
Typed new text. File menu > Save As > Save dialog > Name > "2" (without quote
marks) & Save button. Ctrl-o > Open dialog showing "All files" shows 1.txt &
2.txt; also true when menu is set to Text or Text Encoded, but also when set to
Spreadsheets, although not when set to DocBook. Edit document, to be saved under
new name. File menu > Save As > Save dialog > Name > "3" (without quote marks);
also in Save dialog > Browse for other folders > Create Folder > "subtest"
(without quote marks) & press Enter key; also in Save dialog > unlabeled menu
with tooltip "Select which types of files are shown" > Text Encoded (.txt); &
Save button. Ctrl-o > unlabeled menu with tooltip "Select which types of files
are shown" > Text Encoded. Save button.
Thanks.
--
Nick
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