For those not attending the second session in person, here are the relevant 
slides:
 
http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/09mar/slides/alto-10.pdf

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From: Woundy, Richard
Sent: Thu 3/26/2009 10:02 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: Woundy, Richard; [email protected]
Subject: Is there really a 'war' between ISPs and app providers?


The WG chairs' diagram in the second ALTO session today portrayed a war between 
ISPs unwilling to provide topology information to the ALTO client, and P2P 
applications unwilling to provide any information to the ALTO server.
 
The image is strong, but it does not seem to reflect the reality that we are 
seeing. From our perspective, while the ISPs have constraints about what they 
can disclose, the ISPs are still able to provide useful policy information to 
the P2P applications. P2P applications have concerns about the privacy of their 
users, but do want to cooperate with the ISP to optimize network traffic in a 
manner beneficial to ISPs.
 
We are working together to solve an important problem that ISPs and the 
Internet have in general: the inefficiency of overlay routing, and lack of 
policy information available in machine-readable form. We have a proposal that 
we believe helps solve the problem to the satisfaction of both communities.
 
Can we agree as a WG that there is no 'hemispherical conflict'?
 
-- Rich Woundy, Comcast
-- Stanislav Shalunov, BitTorrent
 
 
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