Hello everyone, Just a quick FYI, Stewart has kindly offered to mail me one of his pair programming cables to assist in this task. I've got to admit the rocketry community, whilst small, never ceases to impress me. There may not be many of us but the generosity people display in this hobby reaffirms to me that there are a lot of really good people out there!
Thanks to all of you. drew On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 1:29 PM Plugger Lockett <[email protected]> wrote: > Gents, > > Thanks for the thread replies. I've just realised that it would probably > make more sense if I attempt to accomplish this myself. I've got two > TeleDongles so as you said I should be able to flash one with the other > assuming I've got the pair programming cable. I've also got an old > TeleMetrum v1.2 that I never use anymore that I could also possibly use for > updating the firmware of the TeleDongles IIRC. > > Sadly the Pair Programming cable is out of stock on Bdale's store. Bdale, > any idea if/when you'll have those back in stock? And while we're at it do > you have a possible ETA for the restock of the EasyMega? As mentioned > previously I need another, ideally by the end of the year but early March > 2019 at the absolute latest. Just wondering if you'll have them by then as > I need something that can handle tilt sensing for staging. > > Thanks again everyone. I really appreciate your assistance. > > Regards, > > Andrew H. > > > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:38 PM Stewart Campbell < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I also have a programming cable or two Andrew :-) >> >> Stewart >> >> >> On 10-Oct-18 19:23, [email protected] wrote: >> > Send altusmetrum mailing list submissions to >> > [email protected] >> > >> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> > http://lists.gag.com/mailman/listinfo/altusmetrum >> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> > [email protected] >> > >> > You can reach the person managing the list at >> > [email protected] >> > >> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> > than "Re: Contents of altusmetrum digest..." >> > >> > >> > Today's Topics: >> > >> > 1. Re: Issues with newer AltOS and TeleGPS applications >> > connecting to TeleGPS with old TeleDongle (Grant Diffey) >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Message: 1 >> > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 19:23:01 +1100 >> > From: Grant Diffey <[email protected]> >> > To: Altus Metrum <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [altusmetrum] Issues with newer AltOS and TeleGPS >> > applications connecting to TeleGPS with old TeleDongle >> > Message-ID: >> > <CACckToVFtz5fcuw8=osE2nutHNKMLunHW9K0KcF=DhW0t_= >> [email protected]> >> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> > >> > Trippoli au but I've been somewhat dormant for a little while. >> > >> > I definitely have at least one programming cable. >> > >> > Grant. >> > >> > On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 7:05 PM Plugger Lockett < >> [email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Grant, >> >> >> >> Over here in Perth. As to the reprogramming, I don't have a >> >> programming/pair cable (whatever they call it) so I'm a bit stuck. >> >> >> >> Do you fly with MARS, Tripoli AU, or both? >> >> >> >> Thanks for reaching out. >> >> >> >> drew >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 3:57 PM Grant Diffey <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Andrew... >> >>> >> >>> Where in au are you? >> >>> >> >>> I'm in Melbourne and pretty familiar with this stuff.. you can >> reprogram >> >>> a teledongle with another teledongle. >> >>> >> >>> Grant. >> >>> >> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 4:53 PM Plugger Lockett < >> >>> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Afternoon Bdale, >> >>>> >> >>>> Just to provide an update, I was able to get my hands on another >> >>>> TeleDongle. Sadly it's running the same firmware and is even older >> from a >> >>>> serial number perspective (#363 iirc). I'm still having the issues >> with >> >>>> getting a stable and repeated telemetry link with my TeleGPS with >> this >> >>>> TeleDongle as well. But on the plus side I've got APRS output >> working on my >> >>>> TeleGPS so I've got a workaround/fallback method for finding the >> rocket if >> >>>> required. I'll update the other thread with a bit more info on that >> one. >> >>>> >> >>>> Given I've now got two at issue TeleDongles would it be possible for >> me >> >>>> to return one to you to get a firmware update accomplished? I >> definitely >> >>>> don't have easy access to the right bits and pieces to get this >> sorted >> >>>> myself. >> >>>> >> >>>> Regards, >> >>>> >> >>>> Andrew Hamilton >> >>>> >> >>>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 9:46 AM, Plugger Lockett < >> >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Hi Bdale, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> One other thing. I just installed AltOS on my Kali laptop via the >> Kali >> >>>>> repositories as I much prefer to have apt handle upgrading and >> dependencies >> >>>>> when compared to installing applications manually (like the v1.8.6 >> shell >> >>>>> script on the AltOS page). My installation went fine and I'm able >> to run >> >>>>> AltOS on Linux now. That said the repository installed version is >> still >> >>>>> v1.8.5. Any idea how long it'll take v1.8.6 to hit the repos? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Regards, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Andrew H. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 9:14 AM, Plugger Lockett < >> >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Hi Bdale, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Thanks for the quick response. To continue. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Either Keith or I can take care of this for you if you don't have >> >>>>>> easy >> >>>>>>> access to the right bits and pieces any more. >> >>>>>> I think I'll take you up on that offer but it would be October at >> the >> >>>>>> earliest as we're still in flying season and crop is now getting >> to optimum >> >>>>>> rocket hiding levels. I will then need the unit back by March as >> April is >> >>>>>> THUNDA over in Queensland and I will require it then. I'm planning >> on >> >>>>>> ordering another TeleGPS (v2.0 this time) as well as a new >> TeleDongle >> >>>>>> Starter Pack with the v3.0 TeleDongle so it might make sense to >> order the >> >>>>>> new kit after returning my old TeleDongle to consolidate shipping >> costs. I >> >>>>>> might also request a pair programming cable to be included for >> future use >> >>>>>> as I also own a TeleMetrum v1.2 and to update that requires that >> cable. I >> >>>>>> did have one but IIRC I loaned it to a guy at Balls in 2013 and >> never saw >> >>>>>> it again. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I'm hoping Keith will chime in here about why v1.0.2 TeleDongle >> >>>>>> firmware >> >>>>>>> might work ok with v1.7 but not v1.8.5. I just skimmed through >> the >> >>>>>>> release notes and don't have an immediate answer. >> >>>>>>> Do you happen to have access to some other TeleDongle or TeleBT, >> >>>>>> perhaps >> >>>>>>> with newer firmware? >> >>>>>> I'd be curious to hear from Keith regarding this as well. Sadly I >> >>>>>> don't have access to any other ground station hardware at the >> moment but I >> >>>>>> might know one or two around the traps that I could get my hands >> on. I >> >>>>>> suspect they'll all be similar to mine in terms of versioning >> though as >> >>>>>> they would have been purchased from Blake at Australian Rocketry >> when he >> >>>>>> brought a whole slew of TeleMetrum v1.0 and v1.2 Starter kits. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Have you actually tried it? I'm curious whether this is >> something >> >>>>>>> unique to the workstation software build or if the AltosDroid is >> also >> >>>>>>> affected. They both share the same library of functionality >> >>>>>> including >> >>>>>>> packet decoding, so I'm guessing AltosDroid is affected too. >> >>>>>> Yes, I have tried it. I get no comms link when I plug in my >> TeleDongle >> >>>>>> to my phone via an OTG cable. As mentioned with earlier variants >> (I'm >> >>>>>> assuming v1.7 or before) everything just automatically worked just >> like on >> >>>>>> on my laptops as my TeleDongle starts up on the channel I've >> configured the >> >>>>>> TeleGPS to communicate over. With v1.8.5 I get nothing though. >> Given the >> >>>>>> ability of the AltosDroid App to be able to know where you are as >> the phone >> >>>>>> has its own GPS chipset it does provide a better experience imo >> for rocket >> >>>>>> recovery when compared to using a laptop without GPS. Not to >> mention >> >>>>>> carrying a phone through crop is much easier than lugging a laptop, >> >>>>>> especially when I've got a yagi in the other hand! Given this and >> the fact >> >>>>>> that I don't expect to program my EasyMega with AltosDroid I'd >> ideally like >> >>>>>> to revert back to v1.7 of AltosDroid on my Pixel, turn off >> automatic >> >>>>>> application updating for that app, and leave it be. If you could >> point me >> >>>>>> to where I could find that apk I'd greatly appreciate it. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> FYI I upgraded one of my windows laptops to AltOS v1.8.6 last night >> >>>>>> and promptly upgraded the firmware on my TeleGPS. That worked >> flawlessly >> >>>>>> and I was able to confirm I'm now running the v1.8.6 firmware on >> my TeleGPS >> >>>>>> with the "Configure Altimeter" menu. I then went to upgrade my >> EasyMega >> >>>>>> v1.0 to v1.8.6 firmware. That didn't work. I should have taken a >> screenshot >> >>>>>> for you (and can do tonight) but once I selected the relevant >> EasyMega v1.0 >> >>>>>> 1.8.6 firmware in C:\Program Files\Altusmetrum\ the application >> would >> >>>>>> provide no further output. I was expecting the small window that >> confirms >> >>>>>> serial and radio configurations and then the firmware installation >> progress >> >>>>>> window but neither appeared. I then attempted to run the "Configure >> >>>>>> Altimeter" and whilst the unit still appears as available the >> identifier >> >>>>>> for selection had changed from something along the lines of >> "EasyMega >> >>>>>> serial xxxx" to "Altusmetrum 1" which strikes me as maybe a >> bootloader ID >> >>>>>> string. Luckily a power cycle of the FC allowed it to reboot >> successfully >> >>>>>> which was confirmed by rerunning the "Configure Altimeter" >> command. I >> >>>>>> could see all my relevant configs, serial, and current firmware >> (v1.8.5). >> >>>>>> Just an FYI as it does appear the EasyMega v1.0 firmware upgrade >> isn't >> >>>>>> working in Altos v1.8.6. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Safe to say I've developed a bit of an appetite for this testing. >> >>>>>> Today I'm going to install AltOS on my work Kali laptop (which is >> Debian >> >>>>>> based) and do more testing tonight. Is there anywhere on Linux or >> Windows >> >>>>>> where I can get more granular console output or logging info >> regarding >> >>>>>> what's happening inside AltOS? I don't mind digging through >> console output >> >>>>>> if it will assist in resolving my comms issues. Plus it'll be >> interesting >> >>>>>> to see if and how the comms differ between the different platforms. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Regards, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Andrew H. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 11:04 PM, Bdale Garbee <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Plugger Lockett <[email protected]> writes: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I believe I've identified an issue with the AltOS and TeleGPS >> >>>>>>> applications >> >>>>>>>> when using an original TeleDongle for telemetry. The old >> TeleDongle >> >>>>>>>> assumption is just that but I'm assuming if this was a bug for >> all >> >>>>>>>> TeleDongles it would have been found before now. I "discovered" >> >>>>>>> this issue >> >>>>>>>> when I attempted to use AltosDroid v1.8.5 in the field with my >> >>>>>>> TeleGPS 1.0 >> >>>>>>>> and I couldn't get telemetry to work at all. So I attempted some >> >>>>>>> bench >> >>>>>>>> testing over the weekend and I believe I've identified a bug in >> the >> >>>>>>> newer >> >>>>>>>> software stacks. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> First off, here's my TeleDongle details. >> >>>>>>> Your TeleDongle v0.2 is running truly ancient firmware, v1.0.2. >> I'm >> >>>>>>> not >> >>>>>>> sure offhand why that would cause the issues you're seeing (Keith >> may >> >>>>>>> have more insight here), but the first thing I'd do if the >> hardware >> >>>>>>> were >> >>>>>>> in my hands is update that to current firmware. Because it's an >> early >> >>>>>>> product based on the CC1111 RF system on chip, it needs to be pair >> >>>>>>> programmed (cannot be re-flashed over USB). >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> See appendix C.2 in the system manual for more details: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> http://altusmetrum.org/AltOS/doc/altusmetrum.html#_pair_programming >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Either Keith or I can take care of this for you if you don't have >> easy >> >>>>>>> access to the right bits and pieces any more. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> By the way, it's always cool to see folks still using some of our >> >>>>>>> earliest products! >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 1) Assuming v1.8.6 is affected by this bug as well (I'll test >> that >> >>>>>>> in the >> >>>>>>>> next few days) then can you investigate this issue? >> >>>>>>> I'm hoping Keith will chime in here about why v1.0.2 TeleDongle >> >>>>>>> firmware >> >>>>>>> might work ok with v1.7 but not v1.8.5. I just skimmed through >> the >> >>>>>>> release notes and don't have an immediate answer. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Do you happen to have access to some other TeleDongle or TeleBT, >> >>>>>>> perhaps >> >>>>>>> with newer firmware? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 2) I've got an EasyMega as mentioned earlier and am planning to >> use >> >>>>>>> it in a >> >>>>>>>> 2 stage stack in April. I will be upgrading the firmware to >> v1.8.6 >> >>>>>>> as >> >>>>>>>> recommended. >> >>>>>>> Good. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> - Do I need to be running the latest software to properly >> >>>>>>> configure >> >>>>>>>> staging and get correct CSV output post flight? Or will AltOS >> v1.7 >> >>>>>>> do this >> >>>>>>>> correctly with a EasyMega v1.8.6 FC? >> >>>>>>> I don't think I've ever intentionally tried using older ground >> station >> >>>>>>> software to configure newer flight computer firmware. I'd >> personally >> >>>>>>> want to use v1.8.6 for everything in this case. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> 3) AltosDroid - Ideally I'd like to use my phone (Pixel XL) as my >> >>>>>>> ground >> >>>>>>>> station in conjunction with my TeleDongle. I've had this work in >> >>>>>>> the past >> >>>>>>>> but my AltosDroid software automatically updates and is currently >> >>>>>>> running >> >>>>>>>> v1.8.5 as well. Is there somewhere I can download the AltosDroid >> >>>>>>> v1.7 apk >> >>>>>>>> in the interim until this bug is resolved? >> >>>>>>> Have you actually tried it? I'm curious whether this is something >> >>>>>>> unique to the workstation software build or if the AltosDroid is >> also >> >>>>>>> affected. 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