On Monday 05 July 2010, Greg Troxel wrote:
>Gene Heskett <[email protected]> writes:
>> On Friday 02 July 2010, Dustin J. Mitchell wrote:
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>>
>>>On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Gene Heskett <[email protected]>
>>>Often subscribers do not know that their employers are running a
>>>broken email server, so the best way to stop this is to kindly but
>>>firmly reply to the autoresponders. Re-subscribing with a gmail or
>>>yahoo address is always an option.
>>
>> My take is that we should send a message to the violator telling him he
>> has been un-subscribed, and why with no implied rancor. And of course
>> invite them to resubscribe when they return from holiday, but to use a
>> mail server that isn't broken if they can. If they have issues with
>> that as a hard and fast rule, maybe they will take it up with their
>> companies email administrator, suitably armed and vociferous. ;-)
>
>I am one of the people who has declined to post because of the number of
>messages I get from broken autoreponders. I usually flame such people
>and their admins:
>
> Please fix or correctly configure your vacation program. The
> essential point is that it is not proper to send automatic replies to
> mailing list mail. The relevant Internet standard can be read at
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3834
>
>and get responses indicating they understand and are dealing about 1 in
>10 or 1 in 20 times.
That is too poor a response rate. One has to have a reasonable expectation
that the request would be actively worked on if the email admin on that end
wants to be a good net citizen. Since it is demonstrated to be a waste of
time, I vote for the unsub, accompanied by a message as to why. Basically
explaining that they are violating the above RFC, and will be more than
welcome to come back when the issue has been fixed.
>The basic issue is that "I'm out of the office" messages may only be
>sent when the person's address is in the To or CC header. For
>mailinglist mail such as this message, that is true only for Gene.
>
I wonder why that is so. I am doing a reply to the amanda-users list only,
and my address is in the From: header as it leaves here. And I will get a
bounce from uwe because I posted. I have been trying to concoct a procmail
recipe, but so far have failed, as I've read the recipe rules, but have
failed to grok the actual function of many of the escaped chars, and which
ones need to be escaped. It _should_ work like a grep, but it sure doesn't.
>FWIW, At this point I'm in favor of unsubscribing people whose mail
>systems are broken in this way, with an explanation of why and that they
>are welcome to resubscribe when their mail system is fixed, or from
>another address.
>
>I'll report back in a few days how many bounces I got from this message.
>
--
Cheers, Gene
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