As I said .
. Blue Sky . While my comments were not directed at you as my post wasn't even in response to yours not only have you apparently taken them as such you have totally ignored the context which I would have thought would have been right up your alley i.e. totally non specific except that I'm sure the non programmer type traders get it. Does that put you in the group of non programming non traders ? _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of brian_z111 Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [amibroker] Re: Help Manual Hi Fred, No hard feelings mate. Overall I think you mean well... you certainly have shared a lot and have a good community spirit. Pity about your inexplicable tendency to get cranky but I overlooked that many times because of your outstanding community effort. Yoy don't really know me and vice versa. If I wanted to, I could make a far more incisive critique of you, than what can make of me, but I don't do things like that because I am not an ultra-rationalist.... I have a bit more depth to me... I take into account the touchy feely things I know about you and the long term damage it would do to you if I hauled off and smashed you one back. Also... the only times we did go 'tete a tete' for a few seconds I actually out thought you but you didn't even notice. You can see now, that I was ahead of Phsst - the only one who was keeping up with me was Tomasz (or others in the background who remained silent). Definitely you and Phsst weren't even in the play - you were both just jumping up and down on the sideline like dancing girls - entertaining to some but not what we were there for. But of course... you are probably in denial about that. brian_z --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, Fred Tonetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Understand that the comments below are from someone who has done programming > since long before there were personal computers and been an trader / > investor for almost as long . > > > > IMHO there is from many peoples perspective a deeper issue here . > > > > That issue is that by definition there are more people who are traders / > investors looking for a platform to use then there are programmers who are > looking for a platform. > > > > Therefore the more user friendly the documentation AND the platform are to > use the wider the appeal is . > > > > As an example the typical trader will have many ideas about things that > he/she wants to do. If doing what seems simple to them from a conceptual > perspective is difficult to do from a practical perspective i.e. requires > something more than simple straight forward AFL and some fill in the blanks > parameters they only have a couple of choices . struggle with it for ever, > hire someone or find another platform . For example while of course very > powerful, implementations like that of scaling in / out and the custom > backtester will give most people without previous programming experience the > willies. > > > > _____ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com] On Behalf > Of sidhartha70 > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 1:55 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Help Manual > > > > Tom, > > Well, Howard is apprently writing another book. A beginners book. > Which is great. He could (should to save the planet) sell it in the > form of an e-Book. > > Bottom line is, learning AFL and what it can do, is exactly the same > as learning any other language (e.g. C#). I don't think its too much > to ask to have the same level & quality of available documentation in > order to complete the task. > > If you expect people to learn a proprietary language, therefore tying > them to your product, you've got to supply the correct information, in > the correct format, to help people get where they're going. Surely? > > Or am I off the reservation here...? ;-) > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, > <professor@> wrote: > > > > To have a manual that is complete and current would take a lot of > time and effort not only to write the manual, but to also keep it > current. I would suggest that if someone wants to take the trouble to > write and update the manual, they could have a pay site with the > manual on it. They could charge a nominal annual membership fee. Then > the members could have access to the manual all year and the writer or > writers would have a least received some compensation for their effort. > > > > I realize that this would not be a big money making effort, but it > would be helpful to the members and provide some compensation to the > writer. It could even be presentated as an ebook which could be > downloaded. The members would be able to get an up dated ebook as > changes, corrections, and additions are added. > > > > I think that if the annual membership was reasonable, enough people > would subsribe to make it feasilbe. I would be glad to provide help > with a web site and producing the ebook. > > > > Just my humble suggestion, > > Tom > > > > I > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: brian_z111 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com > > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:13 AM > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Help Manual > > > > > > Howard hasn't posted for a while. > > > > We can't presume... he is a volunteer also and doesn't make much > > money out of his books... unless AB is paying? > > > > It comes down to Tomasz. > > Hopefully Herman is talking to Tomasz. > > Herman is very good in that role. > > > > Remember that Herman, Tomasz and I have worked together before. > > > > We know each other quite well, in that regard e.g they know I am a > > bit grumpy to work with and Herman knows the way I like to work...I > > always wanted to have an open format.... there was support for a Wiki > > Help Manual at the ATP.... in the workforce I found out that people > > can be trusted... if you trust them they won't let you down. > > > > I used to post my files on the company intranet, without any > > protection, and no one ever did them any harm. > > > > We should have learnt the lessons from the UKB and now we need to > > move on to markII - I hope it wasn't all for nothing - we are so > > close. > > > > It would be a shame to waste all of it. > > > > brian_z > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com, > "lou" <loulh@> wrote: > > > > > > This is one post I strongly agree with. Perhaps Howard should be > > brought > > > into the discussion on how to help finance a new book. Perhaps a > > guaranteed > > > number of sales or whatever. > > > > > > PS - The many many good ideas raise hope that this time a solution > > will > > > indeed be found. > > > > > > lou howard > > > ===================================================== > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "sidhartha70" <sidhartha70@> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker%40yahoogroups.com> ps.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 2:57 AM > > > Subject: [amibroker] Re: Help Manual > > > > > > > > > > Brian is right that the Help manual is incomplete and inadequate. > > > > > > > > I don't buy the argument that "we shouldn't expect it to be > > complete > > > > because AmiBroker is cheap". > > > > > > > > I know it's just TJ and Marcin, but that's TJ's choice. I've > > stated > > > > before, and I'll state again, I would happily pay $500 for > > AmiBroker > > > > IF it had great on-line help manuals. IF it had something along > > the > > > > lines of a decent beginners, intermediate and advanced users > > guide. > > > > And I'm sure new incremental users would come on board as > > AmiBroker > > > > becomes more 'accessbile' to the masses. > > > > > > > > I took the plunge with AmiBroker, and there is absolutely no > > doubting > > > > it's a fine product. > > > > > > > > The users of AmiBroker deserve to get the same support as they > > would > > > > if they chose to purchase one of the C# based alternatives - > > namely > > > > Ninja, RightEdge or OpenQuant etc. IF they have to pay more for > > that > > > > support, then so be it... TJ can hire someone to work solely on > > new > > > > user guides for the next 6 months. Shouldn't cost too much. > > > > > > > > Let's pretend that Howard produces a 'beginners' book for > > AmiBroker, > > > > then another one for more advanced users, say focusing on the > > custom > > > > backtester... suddenly we've got three books for AmiBroker coming > > in > > > > at $50 each... that's $150. > > > > > > > > Personally I'd be happy with either solution. A Howard provided > > > > alternative that costs $150, or an in-house AmiBRoker one that > > adds > > > > $150 to AB price. > > > > > > > > But let's at least have one of the two alternatives. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker% 40yahoogroups.com> > ps.com, "Steve Dugas" <sjdugas@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Jeez Brian, even TJ admits that everything is not perfect, but > > there > > > > are > > > >> only 24 hours in a day and how much harder do you think he can > > work? > > > > He is > > > >> human like the rest of us, if you spot an error or ommision, just > > > > report it > > > >> so he can fix it. > > > >> > > > >> Steve > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "brian_z111" <brian_z111@> > > > >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:amibroker% 40yahoogroups.com> ps.com> > > > >> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 7:08 PM > > > >> Subject: [amibroker] Help Manual > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > There are far too many Help Manual questions posted in this > > forum. > > > >> > > > > >> > This takes up our valueable time answering questions that > > should have > > > >> > been answered by AmiBroker. > > > >> > > > > >> > In fact they waste far more time than OT posts. > > > >> > > > > >> > Our precious time would be far better spent answering more > > interesting > > > >> > questions. > > > >> > > > > >> > Some of the features in AB aren't explained in the manual, > > some things > > > >> > are out of date and sometimes the explanations are a bit > > cryptic. > > > >> > > > > >> > Example: > > > >> > > > > >> > Prettify was added to the Formula Editor in beta version 5.04 > > > >> > - included in devlog under version 5.05 Feb08 > > > >> > - official release v5.10 in June08 which includes manual 5.10 > > > >> > > > > >> > Ami website PDF manual is still version 5.00 > > > >> > > > > >> > - Search PDF for prettify == nothing > > > >> > - Search AB manual version 5.1 for prettify == nothing > > > >> > - Use AB site search engine == nothing > > > >> > - Google amibroker.com == 3 hits from devlog > > > >> > - devlog records release but has no info about it and no > > > > explanation in > > > >> > the read me > > > >> > - searched KB == nothing > > > >> > - searched UKB == nothing > > > >> > > > > >> > The screenshot of the FE edit dropdown menu, in the Help > > Manual is out > > > >> > of date (at least it looks different to my version 5.10) > > > >> > > > > >> > http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroker.com/guide/w_afledit.html> r.com/guide/w_afledit.html> > r.com/guide/w_afledit.html > > > >> > > > > >> > The Devlog just says that the Prettify function was added ... > > > > looked in > > > >> > the AFL function list and couldn't find anything... is it a > > > > function or > > > >> > a function()? > > > >> > > > > >> > New features should be explained in the official help manual > > that > > > > comes > > > >> > out immediately after the beta inclusion. > > > >> > We should not have to search elsewhere but even if we do we, > > in this > > > >> > case, we still find nothing. > > > >> > > > > >> > It shouldn't be up to volunteers to explain help manual items > > in this > > > >> > forum, or the UKB, or anywhere else. > > > >> > > > > >> > It saves AB some effort if they don't have to keep the manual > > up to > > > >> > date but the effort is transferred to the volunteers, who have > > to > > > >> > answer it scores of times, instead of AB answering it once. > > > >> > > > > >> > If we all took the rationalist approach, that some people are > > > >> > advocating e.g. "users should have skills or lower their > > sights or pay > > > >> > Graham", and charged AB for the time we spend providing AB > > support > > > > then > > > >> > the program would cost thousands of dollars and wouldn't look > > so > > > > cheap, > > > >> > up against other software, afterall > > > >> > > > > >> > brian_z > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > ------------------------------------ > > > >> > > > > >> > Please note that this group is for discussion between users > > only. > > > >> > > > > >> > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to > > > >> > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com > > > >> > > > > >> > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check > > DEVLOG: > > > >> > http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/> r.com/devlog/> > r.com/devlog/ > > > >> > > > > >> > For other support material please check also: > > > >> > http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroker.com/support.html> r.com/support.html> > r.com/support.html > > > >> > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > Please note that this group is for discussion between users only. > > > > > > > > To get support from AmiBroker please send an e-mail directly to > > > > SUPPORT {at} amibroker.com > > > > > > > > For NEW RELEASE ANNOUNCEMENTS and other news always check DEVLOG: > > > > http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroker.com/devlog/> r.com/devlog/> r.com/devlog/ > > > > > > > > For other support material please check also: > > > > http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroke <http://www.amibroker.com/support.html> r.com/support.html> > r.com/support.html > > > > Yahoo! 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