If I can't duplicate the codec .... understand the codec ... improve the codec ... whether a ham developed it or not is irrelevant.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Angelo Glorioso <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Last question. Do you know for a fact that > the AMBE codecs was not developed by > a ham radio operator for that company??? > A lot of hams are in that business. > > 7 3 de Angelo > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:16 PM >> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR >> >> >> An example of an enhancement to the radio art would be PSK31 for example. >>> >>> Created by an amateur radio operator used by amateur radio operators. An >>> amazing technology for weak signal work. Multiple conversations tacking >>> place in a single SSB "channel." >>> >>> Don't misinterpret what I'm saying ... D-STAR is neat .... but if I (or >>> someone smarter than me) can't fabricate it from core technologies it >>> can't >>> be fully understood or improved upon. Which is what this hobby is suppose >>> to be about. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Angelo Glorioso <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Sorry. I thought we were comparing apples with apples. >>>> >>>> PS: By the way, apple (big brother is watching you ) :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM >>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR >>>> >>>> >>>> I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements? >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> "To help the believer " :-) >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it >>>>>> in a long time. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar?? >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you chatted voice and text as the same time?? >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you tried to surf the web with DStar. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises ??? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the >>>>>> radio art!!!!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> 7 3 de Angelo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM >>>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "To help the non beleiver.. " >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way >>>>>>> repeaters >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> ... but I digress) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance the >>>>>>> radio >>>>>>> art ... it does not promote innovation ... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what ever >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone .... you've >>>>>>> learned >>>>>>> nothing and you've given nothing back. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating any >>>>>>> value >>>>>>> for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to the >>>>>>> highest >>>>>>> bidder. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> > On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote: >>>>>>>> > > Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the > >>>>>>>> > same >>>>>>>> > > thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with > > >>>>>>>> DSTAR >>>>>>>> > > it >>>>>>>> > > is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so much > >>>>>>>> > fun, >>>>>>>> > > there is something for everyone >>>>>>>> > > 73,s Damon >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig. > >>>>>>>> Only >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only sell >>>>>>>> to a >>>>>>>> handful of approved radio manufacturers. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the > >>>>>>>> AMBE >>>>>>>> codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur radio. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>> > Gordonjcp MM0YEQ >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> author. >>>>>>>> > Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>>>>>>> program! >>>>>>>> > Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one >>>>>>>> choose >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think something >>>>>>>> has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let those who >>>>>>>> wants >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital communication >>>>>>>> protocol available. Yes some will say DMR, MotoTRBO are better it's >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>> to say competition is already present. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The cost question. >>>>>>>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> 700$ >>>>>>>> and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's just >>>>>>>> an example and i'm not connected to their business. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters- >>>>>>>> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1& >>>>>>>> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+ >>>>>>>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's not Ham >>>>>>>> radio >>>>>>>> no one should use it" trend come from but it's getting old... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and you >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the >>>>>>>> internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you >>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>> live on my planet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Just let folks live free... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE >>>>>>>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the >>>>>>>> author. >>>>>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>>>>>>> program! >>>>>>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the >>>>>>> author. >>>>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>>>>>> program! >>>>>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the >>>>> author. >>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>>>> program! >>>>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. >>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite >>> program! >>> Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ > Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. > Not an AMSAT-NA member? 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