In a few more years the Patent on the original chip will run out and it will be open at that point.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of STeve Andre' Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 4:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR *absolutely true* We've surrendered freedoms by using this. ICOM of course had no real understanding or appreciation of this (I've talked with higher-up managers at Dayton), so it's become something we have to live with. It does reek, however. --STeve Andre' wb8wsf en72 On 11/12/13 15:58, Rob wrote: > If I can't duplicate the codec .... understand the codec ... improve > the codec ... whether a ham developed it or not is irrelevant. > > > > On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Angelo Glorioso <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Last question. Do you know for a fact that the AMBE codecs was not >> developed by a ham radio operator for that company??? >> A lot of hams are in that business. >> >> 7 3 de Angelo >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:16 PM >>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR >>> >>> >>> An example of an enhancement to the radio art would be PSK31 for example. >>>> Created by an amateur radio operator used by amateur radio >>>> operators. An amazing technology for weak signal work. Multiple >>>> conversations tacking place in a single SSB "channel." >>>> >>>> Don't misinterpret what I'm saying ... D-STAR is neat .... but if I >>>> (or someone smarter than me) can't fabricate it from core >>>> technologies it can't be fully understood or improved upon. Which >>>> is what this hobby is suppose to be about. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Angelo Glorioso >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sorry. I thought we were comparing apples with apples. >>>>> PS: By the way, apple (big brother is watching you ) :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <[email protected]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM >>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements? >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> "To help the believer " :-) >>>>>> >>>>>>> Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it in a >>>>>>> long time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar?? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you chatted voice and text as the same time?? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you tried to surf the web with DStar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises ??? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the >>>>>>> radio art!!!!!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 7 3 de Angelo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM >>>>>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "To help the non beleiver.. " >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way >>>>>>>> repeaters are ... but I digress) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not >>>>>>>> enhance the radio art ... it does not promote innovation ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what >>>>>>>> ever you need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone >>>>>>>> .... you've learned nothing and you've given nothing back. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not >>>>>>>> generating any value for what we've been entrusted with it's >>>>>>>> going to be sold off to the highest bidder. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>> thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with >>>>>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> DSTAR >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so >>>>>>>>>>> much > >>>>>>>>>> fun, >>>>>>>>>>> there is something for everyone 73,s Damon >>>>>>>>>> But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB >>>>>>>>>> rig. > >>>>>>>>> Only >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>>> manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will >>>>>>>>> only sell to a handful of approved radio manufacturers. >>>>>>>>>> It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> AMBE >>>>>>>>> codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur radio. >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Gordonjcp MM0YEQ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> author. >>>>>>>>>> Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur >>>>>>>>>> satellite >>>>>>>>> program! >>>>>>>>>> Subscription settings: >>>>>>>>>> http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb >>>>>>>>> To help the non beleiver.. just read this: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.eham.net/articles/30174 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one >>>>>>>>> choose to use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you >>>>>>>>> think something has no place im amateur radio just don't use >>>>>>>>> it and let those who wants to use it enjoy one of the most >>>>>>>>> reliable digital communication protocol available. Yes some >>>>>>>>> will say DMR, MotoTRBO are better it's just to say >>>>>>>>> competition is already present. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The cost question. >>>>>>>>> You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to >>>>>>>>> DSTAR for 700$ and much less if you are technicaly >>>>>>>>> inclined.See below it's just an example and i'm not connected >>>>>>>>> to their business. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters- >>>>>>>>> --for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1& >>>>>>>>> ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+ >>>>>>>>> you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's >>>>>>>>> not Ham radio no one should use it" trend come from but it's >>>>>>>>> getting old... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL >>>>>>>>> and you will be able to reach me all over the globe. If you >>>>>>>>> don't like the internet component you better to go back to the >>>>>>>>> cave man, or you don't live on my planet. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just let folks live free... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Luc Leblanc VE2DWE >>>>>>>>> WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb _______________________________________________ Sent via [email protected]. Opinions expressed are those of the author. Not an AMSAT-NA member? Join now to support the amateur satellite program! Subscription settings: http://amsat.org/mailman/listinfo/amsat-bb
