*absolutely true*
We've surrendered freedoms by using this. ICOM of course had no real
understanding or appreciation of this (I've talked with higher-up managers
at Dayton), so it's become something we have to live with.
It does reek, however.
--STeve Andre'
wb8wsf en72
On 11/12/13 15:58, Rob wrote:
If I can't duplicate the codec .... understand the codec ... improve the
codec ... whether a ham developed it or not is irrelevant.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:42 PM, Angelo Glorioso <[email protected]> wrote:
Last question. Do you know for a fact that
the AMBE codecs was not developed by
a ham radio operator for that company???
A lot of hams are in that business.
7 3 de Angelo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:16 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
An example of an enhancement to the radio art would be PSK31 for example.
Created by an amateur radio operator used by amateur radio operators. An
amazing technology for weak signal work. Multiple conversations tacking
place in a single SSB "channel."
Don't misinterpret what I'm saying ... D-STAR is neat .... but if I (or
someone smarter than me) can't fabricate it from core technologies it
can't
be fully understood or improved upon. Which is what this hobby is suppose
to be about.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:48 PM, Angelo Glorioso <[email protected]>
wrote:
Sorry. I thought we were comparing apples with apples.
PS: By the way, apple (big brother is watching you ) :-)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 11:26 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
I can do all that with my iphone .... which are the enhancements?
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Angelo Glorioso <[email protected]>
wrote:
"To help the believer " :-)
Either you have not used Dstar before or have not used it
in a long time.
Have your tried to send a picture with Dstar??
Have you chatted voice and text as the same time??
Have you tried to surf the web with DStar.
Have you used DRats for Emergencies, trainings or other exercises ???
Just to mention a few things that add to the enhancement of the
radio art!!!!!!
7 3 de Angelo
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 10:39 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: D STAR
"To help the non beleiver.. "
Well I guess it official ... it's now become a religious argument.
D-STAR is the "fast-food" of amateur radio (much the same way
repeaters
are
... but I digress)
I'm not arguing the technical merits .... but it does not enhance the
radio
art ... it does not promote innovation ...
Sure you can buy a radio ... plug it in .... program it or what ever
you
need to do to get on "the net" and talk to someone .... you've
learned
nothing and you've given nothing back.
The spectrum we use is very valuable .... if we're not generating any
value
for what we've been entrusted with it's going to be sold off to the
highest
bidder.
We need more of this -> http://wc2fd.com/eaps/
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
On 11 Nov 2013 at 15:22, Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 08:46:24AM -0600, damon runion wrote:
Well back in the days of AM and when SSB came out it was the >
same
thinking then BUT what has happened to AM . Same thing with > >
DSTAR
it
is growing and will grow . Thats what makes ham radio so much >
fun,
there is something for everyone
73,s Damon
But the difference there is that *anyone* can make an SSB rig. >
Only
>
one
manufacturer is allowed to make AMBE codecs, and they will only sell
to a
handful of approved radio manufacturers.
It is illegal to make your own DStar radio, without buying the >
AMBE
codec from DVSI. That sort of thing has no place in amateur radio.
--
Gordonjcp MM0YEQ
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To help the non beleiver.. just read this:
http://www.eham.net/articles/30174
And yes telephone and satellite phone are available but if one
choose
to
use DSTAR it is relevant to discredit him? If you think something
has no place im amateur radio just don't use it and let those who
wants
to
use it enjoy one of the most reliable digital communication
protocol available. Yes some will say DMR, MotoTRBO are better it's
just
to say competition is already present.
The cost question.
You can already interface a lot of recent HF transceiver to DSTAR
for
700$
and much less if you are technicaly inclined.See below it's just
an example and i'm not connected to their business.
http://dstarradioclub-international.com/dv-adapters-
--for-more-information--manual-links.html?success=1&
ucfid=510239683496259871&text=Thank+
you.+Your+information+has+been+submitted
I don't know where this "I don't use it and as i think it's not Ham
radio
no one should use it" trend come from but it's getting old...
I'm an avid DSTAR user just put my call sing in your URCALL and you
will
be able to reach me all over the globe. If you don't like the
internet component you better to go back to the cave man, or you
don't
live on my planet.
Just let folks live free...
Luc Leblanc VE2DWE
WAC BASIC CW PHONE SATELLITE
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