ouch, at poly (my school) they really fucked us good... long story short, they made us pay for a 'special program' where laptops were mandatory in classes and the laptops HAD to be the uni's laptops, for which we had to pay alot (1500$ a year..) to RENT them (can't buy and we had to rent their laptops even if we had one already). And we had a huge flamewar with the managers of the program where we isnulted them and everything (around 50 emails a day for almost a month, with very furious students) and they said the prices were high because of the licenses, which in the end was false because we verified the license fees directly with the suppliers and they said that the prices the uni gave us were wrong and some licenses were a 'one license, unlimited users', so they didn't have to pay anything... anyways. Their insurance was that we would have the top-notch, latest laptop every year, and everyone would have all the softwares installed for the courses... 1 - most of the software installed for which we were paying hundreds of dollars of licenses were NEVER used because we didn't have any courses that needed them 2 - after one year, they told us 'fuck you' and they wanted to give us again the old pcs.. that's where the riot exploded.. in the end, we wanted to keep the laptops because the price we paid was already the price of a new laptop, and those laptops were so lame, they were really crappy ones (and they were celeron 800 iirc, it was 4 years ago I think) but they decided to be 'nice' and wanted to SELL them to us for an additional 1500$ ... in the end, they sold them to first year students, whcih knew nothing of the whole thing and bought used, obsolete, half destroyed laptops at the price of a new laptop.. (they were celeron 800, and at that time, I had just bought a centrino 1.5GHz, so it was still very obsolete)...
the project was renamed "projet arnaque" (project scam) and Polytechnique is now known by us as being not a school but a research facility where the the money is funded by the students of which the administrations think of as "oil facilities" (on nous prends pour des puits de petrole) or cows (they're trying to milk us). just a little OT to tell you how we got screwed... KaKaRoTo On Thu, 29 Jun 2006 05:54:51 -0400, Vivia Nikolaidou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jun 2006, Youness Alaoui wrote: > >> at uni, but you don't have access to the CDs to install it on your >> laptop >> or at home for example, no ? > > For us here, we just go to somewhere on a M$ website with our univ un/pw, > and we can either download everything we like (apart frmo M$ Office) or > ask them to put it on a CD for us and go fetch it at the NOC. That's for > what you install at home. PCs at the university have their own licenses. > > And it's what Jerome said, it's a license for all the students at a very > reduced price for those who pay it. > >> >> KKRT >> >> On Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:10:17 -0400, Jérôme Gagnon-Voyer >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > For us, we have everything free at University, legal. >> > >> > Visual Studio Full Version .net, Windows XP Pro SP2, and almost all >> > Microsoft products. >> > Le 28 juin 2006 à 12:08, Philippe Valembois - Phil a écrit : >> > >> >> I think it's a good idea as I use only VC++6 (official version >> >> bought at >> >> reduced prices as a student) except for Winflash... (For that >> >> please look at >> >> my other mail :d) >> >> Phil >> >> >> >> Le Tuesday 27 June 2006 23:22, Youness Alaoui a écrit : >> >>> Nah, not stupid, I was about to suggest it (which is why it's not >> >>> stupid >> >>> ^o) :P) >> >>> We already have some project files, but not all.. we have .vcproj >> >>> and .sln >> >>> for tkcximage I think but that's the .NET project files, I prefer >> >>> the .dsp >> >>> and .dsw files, anyways, whatever we add, it should be the same >> >>> version of >> >>> VS for all the projects (I would vote for .dsp/.dsw.. if someone >> >>> has .NEt, >> >>> then VS will convert the dsp file, if you have only VS6 and we >> >>> used .sln >> >>> files, it just won't be able to open it). >> >>> Also, I dont' want any .opt or .ncb files, only the .dsp + .dsw >> >>> files are >> >>> needed. >> >>> >> >>> KKRT >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:09:16 -0400, Sander Hoentjen >> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> pleased to meet you, I am big brother, and I am watching you :P >> >>>> Anyway, isn't it a good idea to keep project files on svn, just >> >>>> as we >> >>>> have Makefile etc, or is that a stupid thing to say? >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 23:06 +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: >> >>>>> I said to myself : I hope nobody will ask for this change :p >> >>>>> Hehem... :d >> >>>>> It's simply because I think we shouldn't have to modify the code >> to >> >>>>> decide if >> >>>>> we want to compile with stubs or not... >> >>>>> I added these defines in the project file (which isn't on the >> >>>>> repo) so >> >>>>> if I >> >>>>> want to disable stubs for any reason, it's only on my project >> >>>>> and the >> >>>>> code >> >>>>> isn't compromised.... >> >>>>> So don't worry, defines are here but not in the same place... >> >>>>> Phil >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Le Tuesday 27 June 2006 22:41, Sander Hoentjen a écrit : >> >>>>>> On Tue, 2006-06-27 at 13:11 -0700, >> >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> Modified: trunk/amsn/utils/windows/winutils/winutils.h >> >>>>>>> >> ================================================================= >> >>>>>>> == >> >>>>>>> --- trunk/amsn/utils/windows/winutils/winutils.h 2006-06-27 >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 18:39:50 UTC >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> (rev 6987) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> +++ trunk/amsn/utils/windows/winutils/winutils.h 2006-06-27 >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> 20:11:40 UTC (rev 6988) @@ -10,9 +10,6 @@ >> >>>>>>> #ifndef _WINUTILS >> >>>>>>> #define _WINUTILS >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> -#define USE_TCL_STUBS >> >>>>>>> -#define USE_TK_STUBS >> >>>>>>> - >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Why? I don't know much but in the man pages I read: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Enabling the stubs mechanism for an extension requires the >> >>>>>> following >> >>>>>> steps: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> 1) >> >>>>>> Call Tcl_InitStubs in the extension before calling any >> >>>>>> other >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Tcl >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> functions. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> 2) >> >>>>>> Define the USE_TCL_STUBS symbol. Typically, you would >> >>>>>> include >> >>>>>> the -DUSE_TCL_STUBS flag when compiling the extension. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> 3) >> >>>>>> Link the extension with the Tcl stubs library instead >> >>>>>> of the >> >>>>>> standard Tcl library. On Unix platforms, the library >> >>>>>> name is >> >>>>>> libtclstub8.1.a; on Windows platforms, the library name >> is >> >>>>>> tclstub81.lib. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> If the extension also requires the Tk API, it must also call >> >>>>>> Tk_InitStubs to initialize the Tk stubs interface and link with >> >>>>>> the Tk >> >>>>>> stubs libraries. See the Tk_InitStubs page for more information. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> So.. I don't understand why you removed them. I know you will >> >>>>>> have a >> >>>>>> good reason but I just want to know it too :) >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> security? >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make >> >>>>>> your job >> >>>>>> easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Apache >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Geronimo >> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? >> >>>>> cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> Amsn-devel mailing list >> >>>>>> [email protected] >> >>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, >> >>>>> security? >> >>>>> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make >> >>>>> your job >> >>>>> easier >> >>>>> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache >> >>>>> Geronimo >> >>>>> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? >> >>>>> cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> Amsn-devel mailing list >> >>>>> [email protected] >> >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel >> >>>> >> >>>> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, >> >>>> security? >> >>>> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make >> >>>> your job >> >>>> easier >> >>>> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache >> >>>> Geronimo >> >>>> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? >> >>>> cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Amsn-devel mailing list >> >>>> [email protected] >> >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel >> >> >> >> >> >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, >> >> security? >> >> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your >> >> job easier >> >> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache >> >> Geronimo >> >> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel? >> >> cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Amsn-devel mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel >> > >> > >> > Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, >> security? >> > Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job >> > easier >> > Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache >> > Geronimo >> > >> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Amsn-devel mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel >> >> >> >> -- >> KaKaRoTo >> >> Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, >> security? >> Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job >> easier >> Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache >> Geronimo >> http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 >> _______________________________________________ >> Amsn-devel mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/amsn-devel >> > > > --- > > "Where is the life that we have lost in living? > Where is the wisdom that we have lost in knowledge? > Where is the knowledge that we have lost in information?" > > OEO; -- KaKaRoTo Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? 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