Ok, now is the time to start thinking about the VDS/VPS (virtual dedicated/private server) to use... there are several solutions, what I don't like is the fact that they rarely give you the number of bps speed the site will have... Ok, well, first, we need to do our math... in november 2005, we were using 90GB per month of bandwidth, once 0.95 was released, it jumped to 180GB and it stayed constant like that... when we release 0.96 and 0.97 with the new exciting features, we should also expect it to double... so from 180GB, rounding it up to 200GB, we should assume we'll need 500GB/m of bandwidth... this is the 'worst case scenario', we simply don't want to use more than that someday and be stuck... Also, we currently use everyday an average of 6GB per day, which means an average of 73KB per second... this means, the connection speed needs to deliver 580Kbps... assuming there is a 'rush hour' and normal hours, we should expect the number of KB served to be the double (or triple?) of the average... so I think a 1.5Mbps connection would be enough... but I don't know how well it will handle the rush during the 0.96 release time... With that said, we need to find the appropriate hosting plan.. there are quite a few, I searched for them and found a few good opportunities. First, we need to set up our requirements.. what do we need.. one thing for sure is that I want to have SSH access to the PC, not only FTP access to just upload my files, that's for sure... so let's forget the "web hosting" and the VPS plans without SSH... while we're at it.. we will be paying money for the server, so I think we really should have root access... that's one additional requirement I think. What do we need apart from that ? well, for now, we're living with 100MB of storage at SF.net, but what about the database, last time I saw, it was taking more than 500MB, and I think it will be counted as the VPS disk usage... the DB is growing fast, and I suspect it is already using 1GB... so I think we should have at least, the very strict minimum, being 1GB, but hopefully 5GB + we'll need to periodically maintain the bug database, making sure fixed bugs are deleted (leaving only a few reports)... so, here is a compilation of what I found so far... I would like everyone (who is interested) to review the different plans and post a vote for a company/plan. Don't forget to see what the plan is.. for example, some are '34.99$' but when you look carefully, it's only for a 2 year subscription, while a monthly subscription is 49.99$... I would vote myself for a minimal subscription possible, I would hate it if we were forced to stay with a company, with bad service only because we payed a full year in advance... (that's what they request usually), so if it's monthly payments possible, compare those prices... if it's a 3month subscription minimum, take it into consideration... now here are the links : SF web traffic stats for amsn : http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.php?group_id=54091&ugn=amsn&type=prweb&mode=12months an article about VPS, maybe some good tips to read : http://www.sitepoint.com/article/virtual-private-server a top10 list of VPS companies : http://www.hosting-review.com/top-10-lists/top-10-vps-hosts.shtml
and now, the VPS plans are... : webintellects : http://www.webintellects.com/solutions/linuxvpsplans.htm#Price rackforce : http://www.rackforce.com/dds_dedicated_servers/dds_virtual_private_servers.html?lid=dds_virtual_private_servers&lpos=top_menu startlogic : http://startlogic.com/products_virtualserver.html ipower : http://ipower.com/virtual.html godaddy : https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/hosting/virtual.asp?isc=cjchost20&se=%2B&ci=466&display=virtual midphase : http://midphase.com/html_files/hosting_plan_vps.php that's all that is 'of interest'... I'd like you to not only vote, but also try to sort them by preference... here is mine : 1 - webintellects 2 - startlogic 3 - godaddy 4 - rackforce 6 - ipower 7 - midphase What are your other ratings ? Let's decide this so we can move out of SF and start living peacefully again... Thanks, KaKaRoTo On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 10:12:30AM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: > Hi, > if you don't like the idea of being paid, then don't :p you do it for fun, > cool, others are not > motivated and they might be motivated with a little money.. or just for the > fun of "I can get > paid"... > About godaddy, I didn't take any subscription there, we're still waiting to > see which hosting > plan is best, with which service, and do we want a virtual dedicated server > or just a site > hosting (no ssh, only ftp...) we'll see.. The choice will be made depending > on how much the ads > can generate... > > KKRT > > On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 03:37:46PM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: > > Hi, > > I don't like the idea to be paid for the work I do on aMSN... > > Don't forget aMSN is for most of us a hobby and nothing more... > > For me, if we have too much money we can keep it in safe for days where we > > could need it... And don't forget : for now you decided to take > > subscription > > to godaddy.com but what do you do if it will be insufficient ? You could > > have > > to use another server maybe more expensive.... > > Phil > > > > Le Wednesday 04 October 2006 07:50, Youness Alaoui a écrit : > > > I also agree on that, unless someone becomes a dictator (6) :D but yes, > > > the > > > purpose is to increase productivity not start flaming.. competition is > > > good, but as long as it's in a good spirit... For now, we should decide if > > > it's ok to do this or not.. how to share the money will come afterwards... > > > > > > KKRT > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 07:39:27PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > We must find a way to share the money, something everyone will agree > > > > upon, and something more specific than "who contributes the most". > > > > Otherwise, we might end up arguing about "who deserves more money", > > > > which will eventually decrease productivity. > > > > > > > > Personally, I don't care. I was about to add a "don't care" section > > > > when I saw the email, then I saw Jerome added it, then again... if I > > > > don't answer at all, it will count as a "don't care", won't it? (In > > > > fact, I did sent the reply, but I accidentally used my gmail account > > > > and now it's deferred 451 :( ) > > > > > > > > Vivia > > > > > > > > On 10/3/06, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > I'm going to reopen an old discussion we already had many times... > > > > > I subscribed aMSN to the adSense program (http://google.com/adsense) > > > > > This will have us add google ads inside of amsn's website, I think > > > > > it's > > > > > not agressive, I've seen it a lot, and I don't find it agressive like > > > > > other ad banners... > > > > > I hope everyone agrees with this. > > > > > These ads will generate funds, and I hope we'll be able to use that to > > > > > buy a domain and webspace with godaddy.com (2000GB transfer per month, > > > > > 200GB space... ).. this will allow us to at least have a decent speed > > > > > for the forums... > > > > > Also, I'm hoping that if we can get enough money, we'll set up > > > > > bounties.. which means, for each bug (or commit) a certain amount of > > > > > money will be given as a 'reward'.. and I sincerely hope that this > > > > > will > > > > > motivate people to work a little bit more on aMSN... > > > > > Finally, the only issue with this is that google doesn't work with > > > > > paypal, their only way of pay is by sending checks monthly to an > > > > > address with the check labeled to an individual's name. I gave mine. > > > > > This, of course, brings up the question of "do you trust me?".. I hope > > > > > everyone trusts me to manage that money... Also, if we really get > > > > > enough money, I'd like to give a small salary to everyone > > > > > participating, rewards from time to time, etc.. for example, I'm > > > > > managing the team (less and less), but if I spend hours on aMSN > > > > > everyday talking about the issues, assigning tasks and answering > > > > > emails, reviewing svn commit logs, etc... but I don't do any commit... > > > > > does it mean I don't have the right to receive a small amount of money > > > > > ? This applies to anyone else.. like Nowhereman, or snipe for example, > > > > > they help in the forums, they work on the userwiki (not really:P WHERE > > > > > ARE YOU!!! :p) but they can't commit anything... so maybe they'll also > > > > > need a little encouragement.. > > > > > of course, all this, is only 'if we get enough money'... if we get 7$ > > > > > a > > > > > month, and the hosting costs us 6.29$ then we can't expect to give > > > > > much > > > > > rewards... > > > > > > > > > > Final thing.. IF this whole subject brings ANY trouble... people start > > > > > yelling, complaining, or anything, this whole thing will be shut down > > > > > entirely to avoid any additional problems. We all know that with money > > > > > comes problems, well, I hope we're all mature enough not to be greedy, > > > > > but if we are, then everyone will loose... > > > > > > > > > > I'll post a poll, just to make sure everyone agrees... once the > > > > > majority is giving his ok on the subject (I DO NOT WANT ANY FLAME WAR > > > > > TO START), then we'll add the ads to the website... if most people > > > > > don't want this to happen, then we'll drop the idea. > > > > > > > > > > *Add Google AdSense > > > > > - Youness > > > > > - Alvaro > > > > > > > > > > *Stay with SF and no ads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope to hear from you! > > > > > KaKaRoTo > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >-- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. 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