On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 12:37:16AM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: > Ok, now is the time to start thinking about the VDS/VPS (virtual > dedicated/private server) to > use... there are several solutions, what I don't like is the fact that they > rarely give you the > number of bps speed the site will have... > Ok, well, first, we need to do our math... > in november 2005, we were using 90GB per month of bandwidth, once 0.95 was > released, it jumped to > 180GB and it stayed constant like that... when we release 0.96 and 0.97 with > the new exciting > features, we should also expect it to double... so from 180GB, rounding it up > to 200GB, we > should assume we'll need 500GB/m of bandwidth... this is the 'worst case > scenario', we simply > don't want to use more than that someday and be stuck... Also, we currently > use everyday an > average of 6GB per day, which means an average of 73KB per second... this > means, the connection > speed needs to deliver 580Kbps... assuming there is a 'rush hour' and normal > hours, we should > expect the number of KB served to be the double (or triple?) of the > average... so I think a > 1.5Mbps connection would be enough... but I don't know how well it will > handle the rush during > the 0.96 release time... > With that said, we need to find the appropriate hosting plan.. there are > quite a few, I searched > for them and found a few good opportunities. First, we need to set up our > requirements.. what do > we need.. one thing for sure is that I want to have SSH access to the PC, not > only FTP access to > just upload my files, that's for sure... so let's forget the "web hosting" > and the VPS plans > without SSH... while we're at it.. we will be paying money for the server, so > I think we really > should have root access... that's one additional requirement I think. What do > we need apart from > that ? > well, for now, we're living with 100MB of storage at SF.net, but what about > the database, last > time I saw, it was taking more than 500MB, and I think it will be counted as > the VPS disk > usage... the DB is growing fast, and I suspect it is already using 1GB... so > I think we should > have at least, the very strict minimum, being 1GB, but hopefully 5GB + we'll > need to > periodically maintain the bug database, making sure fixed bugs are deleted > (leaving only a few > reports)... > so, here is a compilation of what I found so far... I would like everyone > (who is interested) to > review the different plans and post a vote for a company/plan. Don't forget > to see what the plan > is.. for example, some are '34.99$' but when you look carefully, it's only > for a 2 year > subscription, while a monthly subscription is 49.99$... I would vote myself > for a minimal > subscription possible, I would hate it if we were forced to stay with a > company, with bad > service only because we payed a full year in advance... (that's what they > request usually), so > if it's monthly payments possible, compare those prices... if it's a 3month > subscription > minimum, take it into consideration... > now here are the links : > SF web traffic stats for amsn : > http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.php?group_id=54091&ugn=amsn&type=prweb&mode=12months > an article about VPS, maybe some good tips to read : > http://www.sitepoint.com/article/virtual-private-server > a top10 list of VPS companies : > http://www.hosting-review.com/top-10-lists/top-10-vps-hosts.shtml > > and now, the VPS plans are... : > webintellects : http://www.webintellects.com/solutions/linuxvpsplans.htm#Price > rackforce : > http://www.rackforce.com/dds_dedicated_servers/dds_virtual_private_servers.html?lid=dds_virtual_private_servers&lpos=top_menu > startlogic : http://startlogic.com/products_virtualserver.html > ipower : http://ipower.com/virtual.html > godaddy : > https://www.godaddy.com/gdshop/hosting/virtual.asp?isc=cjchost20&se=%2B&ci=466&display=virtual > midphase : http://midphase.com/html_files/hosting_plan_vps.php > > > that's all that is 'of interest'... I'd like you to not only vote, but also > try to sort them by > preference... > here is mine : > 1 - webintellects > 2 - startlogic > 3 - godaddy > 4 - rackforce > 6 - ipower > 7 - midphase > > What are your other ratings ? Let's decide this so we can move out of SF and > start living > peacefully again...
I've never used them, but talked with people who have, and I just thought I'd mention it... http://www.servage.net/ offers a pretty sweet package (if you ask me) 110GB storage, 1110GB/month transfer, free setup, + a lot more for just approximatly $9.5/month or 7.5 euro/month And yes, everyone knows 'unlimited' is never really unlimited, but people say that they've been known to temporarily (rest of day) close an account if it exceeds ~43GB/day in transfers... Just an idea... FreakCERS > > Thanks, > KaKaRoTo > > > On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 10:12:30AM -0400, Youness Alaoui wrote: > > Hi, > > if you don't like the idea of being paid, then don't :p you do it for fun, > > cool, others are not > > motivated and they might be motivated with a little money.. or just for the > > fun of "I can get > > paid"... > > About godaddy, I didn't take any subscription there, we're still waiting to > > see which hosting > > plan is best, with which service, and do we want a virtual dedicated server > > or just a site > > hosting (no ssh, only ftp...) we'll see.. The choice will be made depending > > on how much the ads > > can generate... > > > > KKRT > > > > On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 03:37:46PM +0200, Philippe Valembois - Phil wrote: > > > Hi, > > > I don't like the idea to be paid for the work I do on aMSN... > > > Don't forget aMSN is for most of us a hobby and nothing more... > > > For me, if we have too much money we can keep it in safe for days where > > > we > > > could need it... And don't forget : for now you decided to take > > > subscription > > > to godaddy.com but what do you do if it will be insufficient ? You could > > > have > > > to use another server maybe more expensive.... > > > Phil > > > > > > Le Wednesday 04 October 2006 07:50, Youness Alaoui a écrit : > > > > I also agree on that, unless someone becomes a dictator (6) :D but yes, > > > > the > > > > purpose is to increase productivity not start flaming.. competition is > > > > good, but as long as it's in a good spirit... For now, we should decide > > > > if > > > > it's ok to do this or not.. how to share the money will come > > > > afterwards... > > > > > > > > KKRT > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 07:39:27PM +0300, Vivia Nikolaidou wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > We must find a way to share the money, something everyone will agree > > > > > upon, and something more specific than "who contributes the most". > > > > > Otherwise, we might end up arguing about "who deserves more money", > > > > > which will eventually decrease productivity. > > > > > > > > > > Personally, I don't care. I was about to add a "don't care" section > > > > > when I saw the email, then I saw Jerome added it, then again... if I > > > > > don't answer at all, it will count as a "don't care", won't it? (In > > > > > fact, I did sent the reply, but I accidentally used my gmail account > > > > > and now it's deferred 451 :( ) > > > > > > > > > > Vivia > > > > > > > > > > On 10/3/06, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm going to reopen an old discussion we already had many times... > > > > > > I subscribed aMSN to the adSense program (http://google.com/adsense) > > > > > > This will have us add google ads inside of amsn's website, I think > > > > > > it's > > > > > > not agressive, I've seen it a lot, and I don't find it agressive > > > > > > like > > > > > > other ad banners... > > > > > > I hope everyone agrees with this. > > > > > > These ads will generate funds, and I hope we'll be able to use that > > > > > > to > > > > > > buy a domain and webspace with godaddy.com (2000GB transfer per > > > > > > month, > > > > > > 200GB space... ).. this will allow us to at least have a decent > > > > > > speed > > > > > > for the forums... > > > > > > Also, I'm hoping that if we can get enough money, we'll set up > > > > > > bounties.. which means, for each bug (or commit) a certain amount of > > > > > > money will be given as a 'reward'.. and I sincerely hope that this > > > > > > will > > > > > > motivate people to work a little bit more on aMSN... > > > > > > Finally, the only issue with this is that google doesn't work with > > > > > > paypal, their only way of pay is by sending checks monthly to an > > > > > > address with the check labeled to an individual's name. I gave mine. > > > > > > This, of course, brings up the question of "do you trust me?".. I > > > > > > hope > > > > > > everyone trusts me to manage that money... Also, if we really get > > > > > > enough money, I'd like to give a small salary to everyone > > > > > > participating, rewards from time to time, etc.. for example, I'm > > > > > > managing the team (less and less), but if I spend hours on aMSN > > > > > > everyday talking about the issues, assigning tasks and answering > > > > > > emails, reviewing svn commit logs, etc... but I don't do any > > > > > > commit... > > > > > > does it mean I don't have the right to receive a small amount of > > > > > > money > > > > > > ? This applies to anyone else.. like Nowhereman, or snipe for > > > > > > example, > > > > > > they help in the forums, they work on the userwiki (not really:P > > > > > > WHERE > > > > > > ARE YOU!!! :p) but they can't commit anything... so maybe they'll > > > > > > also > > > > > > need a little encouragement.. > > > > > > of course, all this, is only 'if we get enough money'... if we get > > > > > > 7$ a > > > > > > month, and the hosting costs us 6.29$ then we can't expect to give > > > > > > much > > > > > > rewards... > > > > > > > > > > > > Final thing.. IF this whole subject brings ANY trouble... people > > > > > > start > > > > > > yelling, complaining, or anything, this whole thing will be shut > > > > > > down > > > > > > entirely to avoid any additional problems. We all know that with > > > > > > money > > > > > > comes problems, well, I hope we're all mature enough not to be > > > > > > greedy, > > > > > > but if we are, then everyone will loose... > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll post a poll, just to make sure everyone agrees... once the > > > > > > majority is giving his ok on the subject (I DO NOT WANT ANY FLAME > > > > > > WAR > > > > > > TO START), then we'll add the ads to the website... if most people > > > > > > don't want this to happen, then we'll drop the idea. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Add Google AdSense > > > > > > - Youness > > > > > > - Alvaro > > > > > > > > > > > > *Stay with SF and no ads > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope to hear from you! > > > > > > KaKaRoTo > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >-- Take Surveys. Earn Cash. 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