croping text in replies is a good idea I think, it's becoming incredibly long,
lol
On Sat, Jan 20, 2007 at 10:13:54AM +0100, Karel Demeyer wrote:
> 2007/1/20, Youness Alaoui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
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> > actually, dualdisplaypic is aimed to be one of the core plugins, I remember
> > we discussed it and it was decided
> > that it needs to be core plugin ,I just never had time to take care of that.
> > I would also like to have some kind of assistant on the first run (when a
> > profile is created or soemthing) that
> > would guide the user through customizing his amsn look & feel. dualDP,
> > inline/ccard, webcam/audio, etc.. just
> > like emule, or azureus or msn plus! or any other program of that type
> > always ask for a 'first time
> > configuration' wizard. But we just don't have enough material for it so
> > far, which is why I kept this idea for
> > some other time in the future.
>
> I feared someone (besides me) would come up with this idea. I had
> this idea too, but I think it's not that good. Although it's only run
> once when you install the program, it's really annoying IMO, and it's
> the first thing some users see of the program. At the other side, for
> some users it might be a good thing as we can show off what our
> program is capable of. It shows we have A/V if we ask 'm to set it
> up. It shows we have ccards if we ask that etc. So, I'm not pro, but
> I see some positive things. Let's debate this ?
>
I also didn't like the idea because of that, it doesn't really bother, but when
you install the software many
times in different pcs, it becomes a PITA, I know it by experience, most of the
programs with that, I just click
next/next/next until the end because I want to use them right away. but as you
said, it allows for those
advantages..
it is indeed debatable, but I don't think it's necessary to do it right now,
maybe later when we start having
big features that can be customized in one of two ways (for now we have the
ccard and dusaldp for example) but
we don't have enough yet to start to debate on this subject.
> >
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> > yeah, sorry if I was hard on you, it's just the way I felt. It might have
> > been because before this issue I was
> > already pissed at how you answered phil on a commit log, you committed
> > something buggy which screwed up the new
> > contact list and he fixed it all and wrote in his commit log (r7773) what
> > he fixed and added :
> > "Next time please do a cleaner code..."
> > which is totally legitimate,
>
> I felt enormous pissed that day. I found Phil's log very arrogant and
> that's why I answered that day. Phil didn't talk to me. He changed 3
> things just after my commits without asking me something or saying
> something. If he would have told me anywthing I would have understand
> it I think. It was still work in progress. And the main thing Phil
> did, was renaming a tag. "main_part" instead of "clickable". Ok,
> clickable was a bad name, but I just added that tag as it was needed.
> I planned refactoring the code in drawContact again as I already did
> some times, it was not code that was locked till a release, right ? I
> found it harsh because most of the code in guicontactlist.tcl was done
> by me ("most" doesn't mean there was a LOT done by others) and it
> seemed like phil didn't like my code anyway so I felt mistreated.
> If anyone feels like they have to change my code after every commit of
> mine, please TELL ME.
>
ok, I understand if you were pissed that day but phil's log wasn't arrogant at
all, which is why you pissed me
off, because it really was a 100% normal comment. the code you did was a bit
messy I suppose and I know it
created a bug which Phil spent a few hours trying to fix, and I also tried
without any luck. He didn't just
rename a tag, I did a binary search on svn revisions until I found that that
commit where you added the
clickable tag was the one that caused a bug repored on the forums, screwing up
the underline on mouse hovering,
but there was absolutely nothing wrong with the code from a logical point, I
wanted to revert the changes, Phil
didn't want to, he prefered to fix it, and I think he had to rewrite all your
commit line by line until he found
the cause and he kept complaining about the code being messy which was the
cause for the bug. his comment was
nothing arrogant, it was just "next time please do a cleaner code", he says
please and he meant that you test
and make sure the code you do is correct before commiting, that's it. It's not
about having to change what you
did after each commit, it's simply about fixing a bug after each commit that
causes a bug, which is totally
logical imho.
svn does allow for bugs because of its nature but we should always try to
minimize the bugs, existing features
should not become buggy, only new features should have a minimal amount of bugs
when committed.
> >but in your next commit, you put in the commit log (r7775) :
> > "Is this 'a cleaner code' ? If it ain't clean enough I'll forget about a
> > 'next time' ..."
>
> I felt that way, sorry. Phil was like insuling me of writing bad code
> while he also made a (ok, very small) mistake. Everyone makes
> mistakes, please don't punch me for this.
> For me it was like Phil was talking to me as if he's the boss and I'm
> a stupid disciple. I thought we didn't have hierachy, although I will
> freely admit I'm the one with the least coding-experience and possibly
> one of those with the least TCL/TK-knownledge. I'd like to learn, be
> it some "hard way", but not this way.
>
as I said, he wasn't insulting you, if you read his whole commit log, you would
have known your code contained a
bug because it was badly written and he fixed it, everyone makes mistakes but
we try not to. you should be open
minded enough to say "ah damn, I did another mistake, ok, next time, I'll try
not to", which is the logical
thing to think/say. he didn't punch you, he said 'please' and a 'next time' and
he said 'do a cleaner code' he
didn't say 'don't screw it up' or 'don't fuck up all our code next time' or
anything harsh, I mean, I can't
even see a softer way to say it.
I really don't think phil talked to you as a boss (I know him well enough, but
we didn't discuss this, so...)
it's probably you who thought of it like that, there is no hierarchy no matter
the experience (well, I'm the
ultimate developer, the boss of the boss, but hey, no need to say that.. lol)
but we just all try to get along,
not insult each other or add tensions.
anyways, your comment was even harsher than phil's comment, if you say his was
harsh, yours just sounds like "I
do what I want, and you don't have the right to say anything or to touch my
code or else I'll just quit", this
was arrogant..
anyways, if you say you had a bad day, it happens, I can understand that, let's
just hope that know you feel
better and you realize you didn't behave correctly and hope it won't happen so
we stop wasting time dealing with
developers issues and concentrate on development issues.
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> > yeah, it's all a matter of taste and 'les gouts et les couleurs ne se
> > discutent pas' (I can't remember the
> > sentence in latin :p)
> "de gustibus et coloribus non disputandem est" (I don't want to sound
> arrogant, it just came up)
hehe thanks! and no, it's not arrogant, come on, don't be paranoic now :p
> >
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