bastard.. I hate you :@ DISABLE "SEND AS HTML" IN YOUR MAIL EDITOR... me and phil, both received it in one look.. take a look for yourself ...
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 08:38:43PM +0100, ARn0 vdv wrote: > KKRT, yes, you're right about my name, I changed it (when I defined it, I was > 15 years old ^^ never noticed it since)And yes, first mail on the ML, hope it > wasn't useless :PBut it's WEIRD you received it this way :sDoes someone else > face the same problem? Seems that at least Tom read it correctly... I also > received it properly, so I don't know what happened with you!Let's see if > you'll have the same problem for this mail...What about proxies, it seems > it's a bit harder to implement than what we thought...I would say that we > can't release something which is not quite perfect, so we should choose > between OIMs and MSN Spaces, focus on the one we chose, and make it great.The > other feature will be for next release - and personally I would say OIMs are > the most important.What about "Order contact by status", it's true I always > have some problem to understand the difference. And still now, it's not > perfectly clear for me. That proves you're right, and we need to explain > correctly what it exactly consists in. So let's put it in Prefs - > Appearance.BTW, I don't really agree with you when you say that it can't be > placed in the menu because it's not "commonly used". I don't think that you > often use your View Menu: you define everything the first time, then you let > it the way it is... At least, it's how everyone works here :)What about > Log-in Screen, you're right, when aMSN window is small, the size is perfect. > But all my aMSNs are always maximized, so there it doesn't look very > well...But I saw in the latest mails that you're already talking about > correcting it, so nothing more to say about it :)Mmmh, it seems like I just > found a bug: my aMSN started maximized, then I reduced it to 1/3 of the > screen, then maximized it back. Look at the topbar, between the contacts and > my DP/Nicks/... : here, it stays little, at the size it had when aMSN window > was 1/3 of the screen. If I'm the only one to encounter that, forget about > it, doesn't matter :PAnd finally, about ForgetMe:First, I agree with the idea > of Tom, putting the focus on "No" is a good thing! And same thing for a > better warning message, and better text to click on.And subsequently, I agree > with your idea to simply put a warning message when hitting ForgetMe.But in > the last paragraph you didn't want to do it anymore?I'm really scary about > what should happen if someone irresponsible hit the button, and I think it's > a good thing to make ForgetMe (whatever solution we choose) impossible to use > by accident.One final question, nothing to do with the rest:Someone (don't > remember who) said me on the forum that the new CL has the possibility to > strip out the WLM tags (you know, those [c=xxxx]), or even to use it, but it > wasn't coded yet. Was that true? Is it planned?In the case it is, couldn't we > stop using aMSN Plus? I don't exactly remember the features of that plug-in, > but it was mainly colored nicknames isn't it?> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 > 13:15:44 -0400> To: amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> From: [EMAIL > PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Amsn-devel] stats and next release> > > Hi, hello,> > first, Hello snipe! I never saw you write in the amsn ML, so welcome.. or > maybe 'humm.. weird new name' .. > anyways> I don't know why, but I received > all your reply in ONE SINGLE LINE.. no newlines in it, it was impossible to > > read.. thankfully Tom answered from your mail so I was able to read what you > wrote from within his own mail..> now let me inline-comment your > statements..> > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 04:12:20PM +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:> > On 12/03/07, ARn0 vdv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > >> > >Hi all,> > > >> > >So let's answer some of KKRT's questions:> > >> > > 1) OIM:> > >> 1 - > we keep it as is, screw the proxy people, and screw those who think> > >that > the pc freezing for a few minutes is a big deal> > >> 2 - rewrtie it, > replacing 'tclsoap:;create' by 'http::geturl' ?> > >> > > -->I'm not a dev, > but the answer seems obvious: option 2, replace> > >tclsoap. It's true OIMs > are really too slow, many people will report it as > > >a> > >'bug', > complaining on the forum or whatever.> > >> > > > I agree, I'm one of those > people nehind a proxy!> > > oups, then sorry, I didn't mean to say 'screw the > proxy people' :p it is true that it's too slow, but do we have > time to > rewrite it ? > vivia, maybe you can help for the proxy stuff.. I know nothing > about it, I could rewrite it to use http, but > don't know about how to > integrate it to use proxy... can u help on this ?> > > 2) Audio/Video > Assistant:> > >> 1 - replace the 'configure webcam' by the a/v settings and > leave the> > >firewall thing elsewhere> > >> 2 - add a new step for network > capabilities in the assistant and replace> > >the whole configure webcam > button.> > >> 3 - leve the 'configure webcam' but change the webcam wizard > (through> > >the button 'change webcam settings') by the assistant> > >> > > > -->Well, I'm not using any webcam, so I really dunno about this feature.> > > >Let's move to the next question:> > >> > > 3) MSN Spaces:> > >> 1 - drop the > feature> > >> 2 - complete it> > >> 3 - leave it half-way done> > >> 4 - make > it 'usable' but not 'wow it's great'> > >> > > -->I also think this feature > should be available for 0.97, because so> > >many users want aMSN to be a > clone of MSN/WLM, that if they saw it> > >incomplete they would dislike aMSN, > and most of them want such a feature.> > >Now (and it's the same for every > question I answer here), I'm not a dev, > > >I'm> > >speaking as an user...> > > >> > yes, you're right, but if we wait one year to do this feat, then it's > stupid to delay 0.97.. problem is activity > of the devels, time and > resources that we can put on this.. > > > > 4) Skin:> > >> > >--> Gus' and > Lee's job, so next question:> > >> > > 5) Order contacts by status:> > >> > advanced pref?> > >> the 'view' menu ?> > >> where ?> > >> > > --> I find it > obvious to put it in View Menu, with the rest of "Order> > >by..." lines. I > don't see why we should put it elsewhere... It would really> > >confuse > users, that are already a bit lost in all the prefs (especially> > > >Advanced)!> > >> > yes, but now we have already 3 options for sorting, + > this one isn't very clear to begin with, which is why I'm > asking.> this > option allows you to have (in a single group or 'online' group) either :> > user5 > user7 > user3 (Away)> user4 (Away)> user2 (be right back)> user1 > (busy) > user6 (busy)> that's the urrent behavior of amsn.. or, if you > disable the option, you could have :> user1 (busy)> user2 (be right back)> > user3 (away)> user4 (away)> user5 > user6 (busy)> user7> > now 'sort by > status', we already have that, but it means something else.. order by status, > is still confusing > 'group by status', it's even worse.. a menu option > should be a few words only, but to explain this, it would > need a sentence, > which is why I said avanced prefs...> also, it's not something that you'll > enable or disable everyday.. options in the menus should be 'comonly > > used'..> we could put it in the appearance tab of the prefs window.. no ?> > > > > > 6) About Log-in Screen:> > >> > > --> There were no question, but I > would like to give my opinion about it> > >(updated to rev 8200):> > >Very > nice feature, as I already said :)> > >Two things I noticed:> > > a) the > length of the field for e-mail adress/password/status is huuuuuge> > > >compared to the length of anything else... Any reason I would have missed> > > >for this?> > ok, the mail was sent before or after Tom committed his latest > changes ? now, those fields take 50% of the > window, so for small sizes, > they aren't too huge..(by the way GREAT JOB Tom).. but maybe you have your > amsn > window maximized.. so Tom, maybe you should do :> either 50% of the > window, or X, whichever is the smallest (in other words, set a max size for > the fields)> > > > > b) The forget_me button... I REALLY dislike this: it > WILL cause many> > >problems to the users!! As KKRT said earlier, thousands > of people just > > >click> > >"OK" when a windows pop-up, without looking at > it. Of course, we need to> > >allow the user to delete an account inside > aMSN, but it shouldn't be> > >there... In the Prefs, or perhaps better: in > the "Account" menu of the > > >user,> > >so that no one can delete the > account of someone (via aMSN of course) from> > >the common log-in screen. Or > anything else, I dunno... But imagine a family> > >of 3 children, where > there's a little boy of 12 years old, that'll push > > >this> > >button "just > to see", and delete all accounts... That's why I find it > > >should> > >be > "hidden". Just MHO of course.> > >> > > > Hmm, I see your point. I don't > think it belongs in preferences either> > though. If we do keep it in login > screen, perhaps the user should have to> > enter their password to delete the > account, so you can't delete someone> > elses account and all their logs? > Although you should have rights over which> > profiles you have saved, and > you could just delete the folder instead...> > hmm. I'm not sure. I think > that the button is explicit enough that you'll> > only click it if you wanna > delete the profile. Maybe we should have "remove> > this login" as the text > or something even more obvious.... Another> > possibility to stop users just > clicking okay is this sort of thing:> > > > Are you sure you wanna delete > your whole hardrive?> > [ ] Yes> > [x] No> > > > [ok]> > > > That way the > default is no, and the suer is forced to read the message if> > they want > anything to happen, they can't just blindly click OK and delete a> > > profile....> > > > humm.. very interesting points, the 12 year old child, > ouch, that's bad! and I agree.. you get into a fight with > your wife, and > she decides to screw your amsn, that's also bad :p so, yes, not allow you to > do it from the login > screen, I would definitely agree on that case, but > let's not put it in an 'obscure' place either.. so I say, we > keep the > 'forget me' button, but when pressed, we show a popup message saying "for > security reasons, you cannot > delete the currently selected profile from > this window. If you wish to delete the profile, please go to the > > preferences window, in the others tab" .. of course, better written message, > and saying that it's a non > recoverable operation and that you loose all > your settings and log files, etc... it will also allow us to > implement it > more easily :p> about the password thing, I don't think it's doable, it's a > good idea, but won't work, first because we don't > save the password, so we > can't compare unless we sign the user in, also, it woul dmean the user can't > delete a > profile if he's not connected on the net, and finally, if we save > the password, then it's useless, the password > is already entered! > also, > WLM allows to uncheck the remember_me, in our case, we always allowed users > to delete from prefs window, > and noone ever complained, so it's better to > just keep it like that.. if a problem arises, then too bad, you > should lock > your screen before you go to work, not our fault (transfer of > responsability:p) > > thanks for the comments :)> KaKaRoTo> > > 7) What about > the stats: great idea :D> > >I always wondered if something like this existed > :P Does someone have an> > >idea of the amount of people using aMSN over the > world?> > >I noticed one thing: aMSN Plus! is the plug-in with the most > downloads...> > >And we all know how buggy it is, and how much users > encounter troubles> > >because of it.> > >Shouldn't we do something about it? > Enhance the code, doesn't allow it to> > >be downloaded again, create a new > plug-in allowing the features currently> > >"supported" by aMSN Plus! ? > Anything else?> > >> > >------------------------------> > >> Date: Mon, 12 > Mar 2007 10:48:53 -0400> > >> To: amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: [Amsn-devel] stats and next release> > > >>> > >> Hello all,> > >> first I'll talk about the next release (0.97) then > I'll give you some> > >stats that we get from our website, thanks> > >> to > lePhilousophe!> > >> so.. what about the next release ? huh ? well, it's > taking too much> > >time.. at the speed we're at, it will take> > >> a really > long time before we get it out, although we're "almost" there..> > >the > original deadline was april 1st,> > >> then I made it march 1st seeing how > fast development was, then it> > >stalled.. so I hope we still get amsn out > for> > >> april 1st, ok ? so what's left for us ?> > >> well, here's the > latest TODO list for the next release :> > >> New Complete 0.97 TODO :> > >> > - Implement OIM support (task # 133878 and # 135637)> > > >(billiob/lephilousophe)> > >> (make it work behind proxies)[1;5F> > >> - > Finish the audio/video assitant (task # 124048) (billiob)> > >> - Finish > support for MSN spaces (task # 124063) (scapor/karel/kakaroto)> > >> (make it > work behind proxies)> > >> - Finish the new Skin> > >> - Add option to order > contacts by status or not in the CL> > >> - Complete the new login_screen > feature (task # 136722) (bluetit)> > >>> > >>> > >> I want to talk about each > one of them one by one.. first :> > >> - Implement OIM support (task # 133878 > and # 135637)> > >(billiob/lephilousophe)> > >> (make it work behind > proxies)> > >> So far, the OIM support seems to be COMPLETE, although the use > of> > >tclsoap makes it very very slow, so I wonder> > >> if we should > replace tclsoap with using the http command directly,> > >because we use > NOTHING from tclsoap, lol, we> > >> generate the whole xml ourself, and we > parse the whole response ourself,> > >so.. it's useless apart from adding an> > > >> incredibly huge overhead AND preventing us from adding proxy support..> > > >> so yes, the second point is that even if it's complete, we still don't> > > >have support for proxies because it seems> > >> almost impossible to do > with tclsoap..> > >> so the question is :> > >> 1 - we keep it as is, screw > the proxy people, and screw those who think> > >that the pc freezing for a > few minutes> > >> is a big deal> > >> 2 - rewrtie it, replacing > 'tclsoap:;create' by 'http::geturl' ?> > >>> > >> - Finish the audio/video > assitant (task # 124048) (billiob)> > >> This seems to be finished and > working pretty well! congrats on billiob!> > >now the thing is that we'll > have to> > >> integrate it with the prefs window, right now, it's in the > chat> > >window->edit->edit a/v settings, but the old> > >> webcam wizard is > stil lin the prefs->other->configure webcam.> > >> we couldn't replace it > because that configure webcam still ha sinfo> > >about whether you're > firewalled or not,> > >> etc.. so we could either :> > >> 1 - replace the > 'configure webcam' by the a/v settings and leave the> > >firewall thing > elsewhere> > >> 3 - leve the 'configure webcam' but change the webcam wizard > (through> > >the button 'change webcam settings') by> > >> the assistant> > > >> 2 - add a new step for network capabilities in the assistant and replace> > > >the whole configure webcam button.> > >>> > >>> > >> - Finish support for > MSN spaces (task # 124063) (scapor/karel/kakaroto)> > >> (make it work behind > proxies)> > >> well well.. this seems to be completely stalled.. so .. what > do we want> > >to do now :> > >> 1- drop the feature> > >> 2 - complete it> > > >> 3- leave it half-way done> > >> 4 - make it 'usable' but not 'wow it's > great'> > >>> > >>> > >> - Finish the new Skin> > >> humm.. it looks good so > far ? I suppose Gus has kept all the comments in> > >his own TODO list, so I > don't know how> > >> far we're away from completing the new skin.. for now, > let's try and> > >make it 'look nice', I like it very much> > >> the way it > is right now, apart from the colors/bg and when the status> > >(away) is in > grey and the bg behind it> > >> grey, you can't see the status of a user, > etc... so maybe just work on> > >that..> > >> So, could Gus or Lee give us a > status report on this please ? thanks> > >>> > >>> > >> - Add option to order > contacts by status or not in the CL> > >> this is already done, we only need > to add a one liner :checkbutton $w> > >-variable [::config::getvar> > >> > orderuserbystatus]> > >> the questionis WHERE TO PUT IT? advanced pref? the > 'view' menu ? where ?> > >> > >>> > >> - Complete the new login_screen > feature (task # 136722) (bluetit)> > >>> > >> yeay!! it looks almost > complete, a few small issues, especially the> > >'forget me' and the placing > of the elements,> > >> depending on the size of the main window, it's great > work so far, let's> > >hope it gets finished soon!> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> In > other words, I see that we almost finished, if we all take a few> > >minutes > someday and try to work on the TODO> > >> stuff instead of working on > non-TODO related things (or watching tv :p)> > >thenw e could be able to get > 0.97 out> > >> really soon! so what do you suggest guys (+viv:p) ? I asked a > few> > >questions/options for some todo items above,> > >> could everyone try > to give their opinions on those things ? this way we> > >can sort out the > TODO list and make it> > >> smaller until we get 0.97 in a usable state..> > > >> thanks all for reading this!> > >>> > >> Now, my second part of my mail > (smaller this time, don't worry :p) is> > >that, a couple of days ago (maybe > a week> > >> ago?) Phil modified the website and added statistics to every > file> > >downloaded by the user, so now, we have a> > >> count on how many > downloads we got per plugin and per skin and per> > >screenshot.. the results > are quite> > >> interesting, but to access the stats, you need to have admin > access to> > >the website, so I thought it would be> > >> nice to share this > information to you guys too..> > >> ok, I just checked amsn-commits and Phil > added the feat on March 5th, so> > >it's been exactly a week.. so one week> > > >> of stats, give us this :> > >>> > >> Skins statistics> > >> Name Count> > > >> aMSN Live! 2207> > >> aMSN Vista Futurosoft 1606> > >> WinMSN7 889> > >> > aMSN for Mac 764> > >> Aqua Skin 704> > >> aDarwin 624> > >> Clearlooks 482> > > >> aMSN Candy 437> > >> Tux 410> > >> Stylish-brushed 393> > >> Emerald > 373> > >> Brushed Metal 348> > >> Tiger Xi skin v1.0 336> > >> Ubuntu (Human) > 320> > >> Ubuntu 283> > >> Kubuntu 243> > >> No Name 238> > >> Parti-Pirate > 214> > >> C12's Dapper Theme 210> > >> Aquaish 209> > >> nilo-skin v0.2 205> > > >> franto2 203> > >> Catalunya Skin 201> > >> Astaroth's Skin 194> > >> > Windows Classic Theme 175> > >> Clearlooks BigIcon mod 166> > >> F.C. > Barcelona Skin 155> > >> Unified 143> > >> Haudrey 132> > >> pmdzskin 111> > > >> Ixtus 109> > >> Snow Grey 102> > >>> > >> Plugins statistics> > >> Name > Count> > >> aMSN Plus! 1953> > >> Music 971> > >> DualDisplayPicture 829> > > >> BigSmileys 603> > >> Desktop Integration 558> > >> Chameleon 428> > >> > amsnEliza 312> > >> WinSkin 261> > >> GNotify 256> > >> Invisibility 226> > > >> Address Book 225> > >> msntranslator 223> > >> Games Plugin 207> > >> > Colorize 203> > >> Remind 198> > >> SendDraw 197> > >> userstatus 197> > >> > Faking It! 166> > >> SpellCheck 166> > >> POP3 154> > >> Emotes 142> > >> Say > It 141> > >> BugBuddy 132> > >> AutoReplace 126> > >> Growl 123> > >> > Minimizer 114> > >> Organize Received 108> > >> What Is 107> > >> DBus Viewer > 90> > >> GLogs 88> > >> TeXIM 86> > >> Gename 77> > >> Drae 76> > >> FPSstats > 65> > >> MacRise 61> > >> MoveWin 59> > >> Changeit 55> > >>> > >> > Screenshots statistics> > >> Name Count> > >> Auto-message 1795> > >> Webcam > 452> > >> Main Windows 241> > >> Friendly names 173> > >> Smiley chooser 155> > > >> Display Picture thumbnails 136> > >> Personal Messages 129> > >> > Preferences 116> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> So congrats to the skin developers > and plugin developers who scored> > >top10 :)> > >>> > >> that's all for > today!> > >>> > >> p.s.: if you reply to this mail, don't just say 'wow, cool > stats', at> > >least time the time to answer my questions> > >> about the > TODO!> > >>> > >> KaKaRoTo> > >>> > >>> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > >> Take Surveys. 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