Hi, hello, first, Hello snipe! I never saw you write in the amsn ML, so welcome.. or maybe 'humm.. weird new name' .. anyways I don't know why, but I received all your reply in ONE SINGLE LINE.. no newlines in it, it was impossible to read.. thankfully Tom answered from your mail so I was able to read what you wrote from within his own mail.. now let me inline-comment your statements..
On Mon, Mar 12, 2007 at 04:12:20PM +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > On 12/03/07, ARn0 vdv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Hi all, > > > >So let's answer some of KKRT's questions: > > > > 1) OIM: > >> 1 - we keep it as is, screw the proxy people, and screw those who think > >that the pc freezing for a few minutes is a big deal > >> 2 - rewrtie it, replacing 'tclsoap:;create' by 'http::geturl' ? > > > > -->I'm not a dev, but the answer seems obvious: option 2, replace > >tclsoap. It's true OIMs are really too slow, many people will report it as > >a > >'bug', complaining on the forum or whatever. > > > > I agree, I'm one of those people nehind a proxy! > oups, then sorry, I didn't mean to say 'screw the proxy people' :p it is true that it's too slow, but do we have time to rewrite it ? vivia, maybe you can help for the proxy stuff.. I know nothing about it, I could rewrite it to use http, but don't know about how to integrate it to use proxy... can u help on this ? > 2) Audio/Video Assistant: > >> 1 - replace the 'configure webcam' by the a/v settings and leave the > >firewall thing elsewhere > >> 2 - add a new step for network capabilities in the assistant and replace > >the whole configure webcam button. > >> 3 - leve the 'configure webcam' but change the webcam wizard (through > >the button 'change webcam settings') by the assistant > > > > -->Well, I'm not using any webcam, so I really dunno about this feature. > >Let's move to the next question: > > > > 3) MSN Spaces: > >> 1 - drop the feature > >> 2 - complete it > >> 3 - leave it half-way done > >> 4 - make it 'usable' but not 'wow it's great' > > > > -->I also think this feature should be available for 0.97, because so > >many users want aMSN to be a clone of MSN/WLM, that if they saw it > >incomplete they would dislike aMSN, and most of them want such a feature. > >Now (and it's the same for every question I answer here), I'm not a dev, > >I'm > >speaking as an user... > > yes, you're right, but if we wait one year to do this feat, then it's stupid to delay 0.97.. problem is activity of the devels, time and resources that we can put on this.. > > 4) Skin: > > > >--> Gus' and Lee's job, so next question: > > > > 5) Order contacts by status: > >> advanced pref? > >> the 'view' menu ? > >> where ? > > > > --> I find it obvious to put it in View Menu, with the rest of "Order > >by..." lines. I don't see why we should put it elsewhere... It would really > >confuse users, that are already a bit lost in all the prefs (especially > >Advanced)! > > yes, but now we have already 3 options for sorting, + this one isn't very clear to begin with, which is why I'm asking. this option allows you to have (in a single group or 'online' group) either : user5 user7 user3 (Away) user4 (Away) user2 (be right back) user1 (busy) user6 (busy) that's the urrent behavior of amsn.. or, if you disable the option, you could have : user1 (busy) user2 (be right back) user3 (away) user4 (away) user5 user6 (busy) user7 now 'sort by status', we already have that, but it means something else.. order by status, is still confusing 'group by status', it's even worse.. a menu option should be a few words only, but to explain this, it would need a sentence, which is why I said avanced prefs... also, it's not something that you'll enable or disable everyday.. options in the menus should be 'comonly used'.. we could put it in the appearance tab of the prefs window.. no ? > > 6) About Log-in Screen: > > > > --> There were no question, but I would like to give my opinion about it > >(updated to rev 8200): > >Very nice feature, as I already said :) > >Two things I noticed: > > a) the length of the field for e-mail adress/password/status is huuuuuge > >compared to the length of anything else... Any reason I would have missed > >for this? ok, the mail was sent before or after Tom committed his latest changes ? now, those fields take 50% of the window, so for small sizes, they aren't too huge..(by the way GREAT JOB Tom).. but maybe you have your amsn window maximized.. so Tom, maybe you should do : either 50% of the window, or X, whichever is the smallest (in other words, set a max size for the fields) > > b) The forget_me button... I REALLY dislike this: it WILL cause many > >problems to the users!! As KKRT said earlier, thousands of people just > >click > >"OK" when a windows pop-up, without looking at it. Of course, we need to > >allow the user to delete an account inside aMSN, but it shouldn't be > >there... In the Prefs, or perhaps better: in the "Account" menu of the > >user, > >so that no one can delete the account of someone (via aMSN of course) from > >the common log-in screen. Or anything else, I dunno... But imagine a family > >of 3 children, where there's a little boy of 12 years old, that'll push > >this > >button "just to see", and delete all accounts... That's why I find it > >should > >be "hidden". Just MHO of course. > > > > Hmm, I see your point. I don't think it belongs in preferences either > though. If we do keep it in login screen, perhaps the user should have to > enter their password to delete the account, so you can't delete someone > elses account and all their logs? Although you should have rights over which > profiles you have saved, and you could just delete the folder instead... > hmm. I'm not sure. I think that the button is explicit enough that you'll > only click it if you wanna delete the profile. Maybe we should have "remove > this login" as the text or something even more obvious.... Another > possibility to stop users just clicking okay is this sort of thing: > > Are you sure you wanna delete your whole hardrive? > [ ] Yes > [x] No > > [ok] > > That way the default is no, and the suer is forced to read the message if > they want anything to happen, they can't just blindly click OK and delete a > profile.... > humm.. very interesting points, the 12 year old child, ouch, that's bad! and I agree.. you get into a fight with your wife, and she decides to screw your amsn, that's also bad :p so, yes, not allow you to do it from the login screen, I would definitely agree on that case, but let's not put it in an 'obscure' place either.. so I say, we keep the 'forget me' button, but when pressed, we show a popup message saying "for security reasons, you cannot delete the currently selected profile from this window. If you wish to delete the profile, please go to the preferences window, in the others tab" .. of course, better written message, and saying that it's a non recoverable operation and that you loose all your settings and log files, etc... it will also allow us to implement it more easily :p about the password thing, I don't think it's doable, it's a good idea, but won't work, first because we don't save the password, so we can't compare unless we sign the user in, also, it woul dmean the user can't delete a profile if he's not connected on the net, and finally, if we save the password, then it's useless, the password is already entered! also, WLM allows to uncheck the remember_me, in our case, we always allowed users to delete from prefs window, and noone ever complained, so it's better to just keep it like that.. if a problem arises, then too bad, you should lock your screen before you go to work, not our fault (transfer of responsability:p) thanks for the comments :) KaKaRoTo > 7) What about the stats: great idea :D > >I always wondered if something like this existed :P Does someone have an > >idea of the amount of people using aMSN over the world? > >I noticed one thing: aMSN Plus! is the plug-in with the most downloads... > >And we all know how buggy it is, and how much users encounter troubles > >because of it. > >Shouldn't we do something about it? Enhance the code, doesn't allow it to > >be downloaded again, create a new plug-in allowing the features currently > >"supported" by aMSN Plus! ? Anything else? > > > >------------------------------ > >> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:48:53 -0400 > >> To: amsn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Subject: [Amsn-devel] stats and next release > >> > >> Hello all, > >> first I'll talk about the next release (0.97) then I'll give you some > >stats that we get from our website, thanks > >> to lePhilousophe! > >> so.. what about the next release ? huh ? well, it's taking too much > >time.. at the speed we're at, it will take > >> a really long time before we get it out, although we're "almost" there.. > >the original deadline was april 1st, > >> then I made it march 1st seeing how fast development was, then it > >stalled.. so I hope we still get amsn out for > >> april 1st, ok ? so what's left for us ? > >> well, here's the latest TODO list for the next release : > >> New Complete 0.97 TODO : > >> - Implement OIM support (task # 133878 and # 135637) > >(billiob/lephilousophe) > >> (make it work behind proxies)[1;5F > >> - Finish the audio/video assitant (task # 124048) (billiob) > >> - Finish support for MSN spaces (task # 124063) (scapor/karel/kakaroto) > >> (make it work behind proxies) > >> - Finish the new Skin > >> - Add option to order contacts by status or not in the CL > >> - Complete the new login_screen feature (task # 136722) (bluetit) > >> > >> > >> I want to talk about each one of them one by one.. first : > >> - Implement OIM support (task # 133878 and # 135637) > >(billiob/lephilousophe) > >> (make it work behind proxies) > >> So far, the OIM support seems to be COMPLETE, although the use of > >tclsoap makes it very very slow, so I wonder > >> if we should replace tclsoap with using the http command directly, > >because we use NOTHING from tclsoap, lol, we > >> generate the whole xml ourself, and we parse the whole response ourself, > >so.. it's useless apart from adding an > >> incredibly huge overhead AND preventing us from adding proxy support.. > >> so yes, the second point is that even if it's complete, we still don't > >have support for proxies because it seems > >> almost impossible to do with tclsoap.. > >> so the question is : > >> 1 - we keep it as is, screw the proxy people, and screw those who think > >that the pc freezing for a few minutes > >> is a big deal > >> 2 - rewrtie it, replacing 'tclsoap:;create' by 'http::geturl' ? > >> > >> - Finish the audio/video assitant (task # 124048) (billiob) > >> This seems to be finished and working pretty well! congrats on billiob! > >now the thing is that we'll have to > >> integrate it with the prefs window, right now, it's in the chat > >window->edit->edit a/v settings, but the old > >> webcam wizard is stil lin the prefs->other->configure webcam. > >> we couldn't replace it because that configure webcam still ha sinfo > >about whether you're firewalled or not, > >> etc.. so we could either : > >> 1 - replace the 'configure webcam' by the a/v settings and leave the > >firewall thing elsewhere > >> 3 - leve the 'configure webcam' but change the webcam wizard (through > >the button 'change webcam settings') by > >> the assistant > >> 2 - add a new step for network capabilities in the assistant and replace > >the whole configure webcam button. > >> > >> > >> - Finish support for MSN spaces (task # 124063) (scapor/karel/kakaroto) > >> (make it work behind proxies) > >> well well.. this seems to be completely stalled.. so .. what do we want > >to do now : > >> 1- drop the feature > >> 2 - complete it > >> 3- leave it half-way done > >> 4 - make it 'usable' but not 'wow it's great' > >> > >> > >> - Finish the new Skin > >> humm.. it looks good so far ? I suppose Gus has kept all the comments in > >his own TODO list, so I don't know how > >> far we're away from completing the new skin.. for now, let's try and > >make it 'look nice', I like it very much > >> the way it is right now, apart from the colors/bg and when the status > >(away) is in grey and the bg behind it > >> grey, you can't see the status of a user, etc... so maybe just work on > >that.. > >> So, could Gus or Lee give us a status report on this please ? thanks > >> > >> > >> - Add option to order contacts by status or not in the CL > >> this is already done, we only need to add a one liner :checkbutton $w > >-variable [::config::getvar > >> orderuserbystatus] > >> the questionis WHERE TO PUT IT? advanced pref? the 'view' menu ? where ? > > > >> > >> - Complete the new login_screen feature (task # 136722) (bluetit) > >> > >> yeay!! it looks almost complete, a few small issues, especially the > >'forget me' and the placing of the elements, > >> depending on the size of the main window, it's great work so far, let's > >hope it gets finished soon! > >> > >> > >> > >> In other words, I see that we almost finished, if we all take a few > >minutes someday and try to work on the TODO > >> stuff instead of working on non-TODO related things (or watching tv :p) > >thenw e could be able to get 0.97 out > >> really soon! so what do you suggest guys (+viv:p) ? I asked a few > >questions/options for some todo items above, > >> could everyone try to give their opinions on those things ? this way we > >can sort out the TODO list and make it > >> smaller until we get 0.97 in a usable state.. > >> thanks all for reading this! > >> > >> Now, my second part of my mail (smaller this time, don't worry :p) is > >that, a couple of days ago (maybe a week > >> ago?) Phil modified the website and added statistics to every file > >downloaded by the user, so now, we have a > >> count on how many downloads we got per plugin and per skin and per > >screenshot.. the results are quite > >> interesting, but to access the stats, you need to have admin access to > >the website, so I thought it would be > >> nice to share this information to you guys too.. > >> ok, I just checked amsn-commits and Phil added the feat on March 5th, so > >it's been exactly a week.. so one week > >> of stats, give us this : > >> > >> Skins statistics > >> Name Count > >> aMSN Live! 2207 > >> aMSN Vista Futurosoft 1606 > >> WinMSN7 889 > >> aMSN for Mac 764 > >> Aqua Skin 704 > >> aDarwin 624 > >> Clearlooks 482 > >> aMSN Candy 437 > >> Tux 410 > >> Stylish-brushed 393 > >> Emerald 373 > >> Brushed Metal 348 > >> Tiger Xi skin v1.0 336 > >> Ubuntu (Human) 320 > >> Ubuntu 283 > >> Kubuntu 243 > >> No Name 238 > >> Parti-Pirate 214 > >> C12's Dapper Theme 210 > >> Aquaish 209 > >> nilo-skin v0.2 205 > >> franto2 203 > >> Catalunya Skin 201 > >> Astaroth's Skin 194 > >> Windows Classic Theme 175 > >> Clearlooks BigIcon mod 166 > >> F.C. Barcelona Skin 155 > >> Unified 143 > >> Haudrey 132 > >> pmdzskin 111 > >> Ixtus 109 > >> Snow Grey 102 > >> > >> Plugins statistics > >> Name Count > >> aMSN Plus! 1953 > >> Music 971 > >> DualDisplayPicture 829 > >> BigSmileys 603 > >> Desktop Integration 558 > >> Chameleon 428 > >> amsnEliza 312 > >> WinSkin 261 > >> GNotify 256 > >> Invisibility 226 > >> Address Book 225 > >> msntranslator 223 > >> Games Plugin 207 > >> Colorize 203 > >> Remind 198 > >> SendDraw 197 > >> userstatus 197 > >> Faking It! 166 > >> SpellCheck 166 > >> POP3 154 > >> Emotes 142 > >> Say It 141 > >> BugBuddy 132 > >> AutoReplace 126 > >> Growl 123 > >> Minimizer 114 > >> Organize Received 108 > >> What Is 107 > >> DBus Viewer 90 > >> GLogs 88 > >> TeXIM 86 > >> Gename 77 > >> Drae 76 > >> FPSstats 65 > >> MacRise 61 > >> MoveWin 59 > >> Changeit 55 > >> > >> Screenshots statistics > >> Name Count > >> Auto-message 1795 > >> Webcam 452 > >> Main Windows 241 > >> Friendly names 173 > >> Smiley chooser 155 > >> Display Picture thumbnails 136 > >> Personal Messages 129 > >> Preferences 116 > >> > >> > >> > >> So congrats to the skin developers and plugin developers who scored > >top10 :) > >> > >> that's all for today! > >> > >> p.s.: if you reply to this mail, don't just say 'wow, cool stats', at > >least time the time to answer my questions > >> about the TODO! > >> > >> KaKaRoTo > >> > >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> Take Surveys. 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