Makes sense to me. On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Neil P. Quinn <[email protected]> wrote:
> Keep in mind that, when I say "metrics documentation", I'm not referring > to documentation about Hive > <https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Cluster/Hive>, the webrequest > logs <https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Data/Webrequest>, or > EventLogging <https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/EventLogging>. > To my mind, those are infrastructure topics that are relevant mainly to > Wikimedia (not MediaWiki) engineers, and so belong on Wikitech. > > I'm talking about documentation relevant to analysts, researchers, and end > users of metrics: "this is how we define an *edit*", "this is why we use > 5 edits as the cutoff for an active editor", "this is sample SQL for > counting surviving new active editors", and so on. I think that kind of > information belongs on Meta (and not on mediawiki.org, which was the > original thrust of my question). > > Does that seem like a sensible split to people, or am I just agreeing with > one side of the debate? > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Aaron Halfaker <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I think having documentation in more than one place is an awful >>> experience for newcomers. >> >> >> Which newcomers are you referring to? Newcomers to the WMF engineering >> staff or newcomers to research/analytics of Wikimedia projects? >> >> It's OK to not understand the different purposes of our Wikis right away, >> but I don't think that is a good reason to undermine their purposes. I >> certainly don't see why wikitech is a desirable hub for this kind of >> information. From my point of view Wikitech is the *worst* potential hub >> of information that is not specific to engineering. >> >> What, exactly, is the trouble with having metrics documentation on Meta? >> How would moving *some of the the documentation* to wikitech help that? >> (Because you're not going to move research project documentation without >> even stronger disagreement from the locals.) >> >> -Aaron >> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Dan Andreescu <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> Strongly oppose moving the Research namespace hosted metrics >>>> documentation off Meta. It's s'posed to be broadly accessible. Wikitech is >>>> on few peoples' radar. Mediawiki.org is for software documentation. Meta is >>>> the central wiki for the movement (however imperfect). - J >>>> >>> >>> I respect the fact that these kinds of distinctions make sense to people >>> who are already familiar with the movement and research / analytics. But >>> to someone relatively new, and to me for the first year at the foundation, >>> those distinctions made zero sense. >>> >>> I'm not saying it's easy, but I think having documentation in more than >>> one place is an awful experience for newcomers. We'll continue to move >>> things to wikitech and leave nice high level landing pages on the other >>> wikis. Others are welcome to act differently if they so see fit. I know a >>> lot of research stuff is on meta, so maybe in your case it makes sense to >>> standardize on meta and point to it from the other wikis. >>> >>> You're of course welcome to disagree with me but I'd suggest first >>> trying to come up with examples of newcomers who understand the purpose of >>> our different wikis perfectly right away. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Analytics mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Analytics mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> >> > > > -- > Neil P. Quinn <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Neil_P._Quinn-WMF>, > product analyst > Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > >
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