If Meta is the place for all Research documentation, then that's fantastic. I would suggest getting rid of any Research related pages on the other wikis and replacing them with a single page that points to the most organized entry point on Meta.
As to what newcomers this could be useful for, I have a list: WMF engineering staff, WMF non-engineering staff, editing community members, independent researchers, wait the list is everybody :) On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Leila Zia <[email protected]> wrote: > Makes sense to me. > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Neil P. Quinn <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Keep in mind that, when I say "metrics documentation", I'm not referring >> to documentation about Hive >> <https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Cluster/Hive>, the webrequest >> logs <https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Data/Webrequest>, or >> EventLogging <https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/EventLogging>. >> To my mind, those are infrastructure topics that are relevant mainly to >> Wikimedia (not MediaWiki) engineers, and so belong on Wikitech. >> >> I'm talking about documentation relevant to analysts, researchers, and >> end users of metrics: "this is how we define an *edit*", "this is why we >> use 5 edits as the cutoff for an active editor", "this is sample SQL for >> counting surviving new active editors", and so on. I think that kind of >> information belongs on Meta (and not on mediawiki.org, which was the >> original thrust of my question). >> >> Does that seem like a sensible split to people, or am I just agreeing >> with one side of the debate? >> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 8:32 AM, Aaron Halfaker <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> I think having documentation in more than one place is an awful >>>> experience for newcomers. >>> >>> >>> Which newcomers are you referring to? Newcomers to the WMF engineering >>> staff or newcomers to research/analytics of Wikimedia projects? >>> >>> It's OK to not understand the different purposes of our Wikis right >>> away, but I don't think that is a good reason to undermine their purposes. >>> I certainly don't see why wikitech is a desirable hub for this kind of >>> information. From my point of view Wikitech is the *worst* potential hub >>> of information that is not specific to engineering. >>> >>> What, exactly, is the trouble with having metrics documentation on Meta? >>> How would moving *some of the the documentation* to wikitech help that? >>> (Because you're not going to move research project documentation without >>> even stronger disagreement from the locals.) >>> >>> -Aaron >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:05 AM, Dan Andreescu < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Strongly oppose moving the Research namespace hosted metrics >>>>> documentation off Meta. It's s'posed to be broadly accessible. Wikitech is >>>>> on few peoples' radar. Mediawiki.org is for software documentation. Meta >>>>> is >>>>> the central wiki for the movement (however imperfect). - J >>>>> >>>> >>>> I respect the fact that these kinds of distinctions make sense to >>>> people who are already familiar with the movement and research / >>>> analytics. But to someone relatively new, and to me for the first year at >>>> the foundation, those distinctions made zero sense. >>>> >>>> I'm not saying it's easy, but I think having documentation in more than >>>> one place is an awful experience for newcomers. We'll continue to move >>>> things to wikitech and leave nice high level landing pages on the other >>>> wikis. Others are welcome to act differently if they so see fit. I know a >>>> lot of research stuff is on meta, so maybe in your case it makes sense to >>>> standardize on meta and point to it from the other wikis. >>>> >>>> You're of course welcome to disagree with me but I'd suggest first >>>> trying to come up with examples of newcomers who understand the purpose of >>>> our different wikis perfectly right away. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Analytics mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Analytics mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Neil P. Quinn <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Neil_P._Quinn-WMF>, >> product analyst >> Wikimedia Foundation >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Analytics mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Analytics mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/analytics > >
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