Acually, SUN has one of the worst JVMs available, and that's probably a big part of what's got Oracle upset about Android. (That and the money, of course.)
I would assume that Google got one of the standard development licenses from Sun, where they could do pretty much whatever they wanted -- it just had to pass the JCK tests if they used the name "Java". I'm assuming that Android Java passes the JCK somehow. On Aug 13, 12:54 am, Miguel Morales <[email protected]> wrote: > I used to hate Java, I think that it's ok to good now. (Even better > with the framework google provided to make apps) > The thread handling is pretty good, and tons of library is even better. > > I'm not going to pull any numbers as to why I say that most people > think java sucks, maybe it's just some. I've gathered this from > workplaces, forum/irc chats, etc. A lot of java applications are > hated upon due to being slow (Eclipse, Azureus, Tomcat?). Java browser > apps are generally slower than their javascript or even flash > counterparts. (They're also regarded as outdated) > > This is why google had to make its own vm to optimize it, plus you > have to go through some pains to avoid the GC where as in regular Java > apps objects are allocated all the time. This causes them to lag > badly when objects are constantly being allocated and freed. > In a server app this really isn't a problem, and the JVM is pretty > good to work with. (ie with scala, groovy, etc) > Java is very popular for day to day and general programming, because > it's the main language at most universities. However, I haven't seen > any truly innovative snappy or fast performing apps either client or > server side. (Maybe even the corporate there's a lot of reliable and > fast code.) There is a taboo, where it's regarded that programmers who > only know java aren't very good. > > I mean, who thinks of java as the future? If it wasn't for people > innovating it, like google and groovy and scala are, it'd be dying a > slow death. (or like perl, living nicely in the corporate world, but > be in danger into falling into a niche language in the next > generation) > > > > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 10:04 PM, Kevin Duffey <[email protected]> wrote: > > Interesting point of view Miguel... most developers think the language > > sucks? Do you back this up in some way? Java is a very good language. I am > > curious what you find so bad, what languages you think are vastly superior? > > I think all languages have their faults, but given the overwhelming > > popularity of Java in many facets of software development, it's got a looong > > life ahead of it. I have found that most people that say this about Java, > > know very little about the language and usually fall into the camp of those > > that "hate java" until you ask them why and the usual response is "because > > it sucks". Anyway.. I am not opposed to other languages.. NDK.. as soon as > > it allows for direct audio and video access.. will be the language of choice > > for most of android development anyway (aka.. C). > > > On 8/12/2010 9:52 PM, Miguel Morales wrote: > > >> Well I think this has to be because of the use of Java in Android. > > >> If this is the case, I'd say that Oracle should be grateful that > >> Android chose Java when there are better options out there. I > >> personally wouldn't have touched the language if it wasn't for > >> Android. Most developers think it sucks. > > >> It might also be because you can use 3rd party java libraries in > >> android. In either case, java was given a breath of life by google, > >> Oracle should be kissing their butt. > > >> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 8:07 PM, Shane Isbell<[email protected]> > >> wrote: > > >>> If there were no lawsuits, then I would worry. This is an encouraging > >>> sign > >>> that Android is starting to rattle more cages due to its expected > >>> profitability and competitiveness. > > >>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Dianne Hackborn<[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > > >>>> Oh gee, another patent lawsuit. :p > >>>> I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep over this as a third party > >>>> developer. > >>>> :} > > >>>> On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Frank Weiss<[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>> It hit the press today. Rumored that Google refused to settle. I have > >>>>> no idea where this is headed, but I'll continue to develop for > >>>>> Android. > > >>>>> -- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups "Android Developers" group. > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en > > >>>> -- > >>>> Dianne Hackborn > >>>> Android framework engineer > >>>> [email protected] > > >>>> Note: please don't send private questions to me, as I don't have time to > >>>> provide private support, and so won't reply to such e-mails. 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