I lol'd... On Apr 5, 8:25 am, Craigbtx <craig...@austin.rr.com> wrote: > I agree with Dirk and others. After using Microsofts development > environment, Visual Studio and asp.net for me, there is no reason to > code database connections, html tables of data etc., sql update, > delete and insert commands. If you know them that is great and it is > helpful. But by having a full mature visual development environment > you can concentrate on the application and not the code, unless > necessary. I have developed a fully functional asp.net application > with 53 database driven pages with lists and forms with full insert > update and delete capabilities, full security with logins, retrieve > passwords, create new users all in 2 weeks. No code! > > Later we added business rules and error trapping but what a head > start. If needed then you dig into code but use the built in mature > tools to the fullest. I had a problem once and got answers of 150 > lines of code. The solution was 1 line of code. > > We do not need to reinvent the wheel on every application. Thirty > years ago we had database application software that didn't require you > to code database connections, insert, deletes and update statements, > button clicks etc. I hope we have progressed farther that that. > > Eclipse is the best visual environment for Android code but far from > Microsofts Visual Studio development environment. > > Ever seen app_inventor, visual environment from Google? Interesting. I > wonder if it will ever be released? It may be too visual and maybe no > as powerful, butinteresting none the less. > > On Apr 5, 1:19 am, dirk <dhaa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hold on a minute. I really don't care the least bit about underlying > > code, that is, the XML that's generated by a really good design tool. > > Saying you should have to learn the XML (in this case) is like saying > > you have to learn the bytecode that's generated from the java code. > > Sure, you always need understand the structure, but with good tools, > > you can _focus_ on the structure and not worry about the details. > > > On Apr 4, 7:01 pm, Robert <rcope...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Layout is part of development. Having tools to help with that are aids > > > but should not be used as an excuse not to learn the underlying code. > > > THe designer tools only generate the structures based on the rules > > > programmed into them. You will always have a more detailed level of > > > control by going to the lowest level available. Learn it and it'll > > > make you a better developer and your programs to be more > > > efficient. Using the higher level tools makes you only as > > > efficient at they are. > > > > Yes, it takes time and yes you have to learn it but that's what being > > > a real developer is all about. > > > Robert- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -
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