Actually, in this case I'm going to go ahead and request that we move conversations of this type to android-discuss. Normally, for our other developer products we wouldn't make such a request: anything and everything related to the product is welcome. For instance, discussions about this sort of thing would be fine on, say, the GWT list. The difference with our case, however, is that android-developers is very high-volume, and we do have the luxury of multiple lists. GWT has only one list and (while high volume itself) it doesn't get as many messages as android-developers.
So, I'd like to propose that we take discussions of Market to android-discuss, and keep android-developers focused on technical, API-related Q&A. If we continue to get enough Market-related discussion on android-discuss, it might be an indication that we should create a list just for that. This should help people pick the lists they want to be subscribed to, and get the value they hope for from them. Thanks, - Dan On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Al Sutton <a...@funkyandroid.com> wrote: > > Justin, > > This group isn't run just for your benefit and so I'm not sure why you > think you should be the one to decide what is and isn't on-topic. > > In the 2 days you've been part of the group I've seen two people tell > you your posts are not welcomed, so maybe you should take the hint, sit > back, and use the delete button instead of the reply button to topics > you don't want to read. > > As I said before, the Google engineers speak up when we're straying from > the beaten path, and those requests are respected, but I'm afraid you > haven't earned the respect we show them and so I would suggest you > accept that fact that this list isn't run the way you think it should be. > > Al. > > Justin Allen Jaynes wrote: > > Al, and all who share his sentiments, > > > > I am from Idaho and I am new to THIS list. But it doesn't mean I > > haven't spend a lot of time READING this forum, and in other developer > > forums as well. I understand how they work and that there are rules, > > which, when followed, significantly improve the quality of the content. > > > > I can understand your resistance to begin complying with the rules. > > Approximately half of your posts are off topic. However, if you were to > > move such conversations to the android-discuss group, your relevant and > > useful dialog there would encourage others to move to that forum as > > well, when they wish to discuss non-development subjects. It would > > improve both forums, to separate the content by topic, would it not? > > > > You are right. This discussion does add traffic to the group. But if > > reminding the users of the group of it's clearly defined usages cuts > > just 20 illegitimate emails out of the list daily, a few posts like this > > are worth it. I think the majority of this groups subscribers would > agree. > > > > Justin > > > > Al Sutton wrote: > > > >> Justin, > >> > >> Whilst it's nice to see new people on the list, it's probably best to > >> get a feel for how the list works rather than trying to wade in with > >> how you think the world should work because all you're doing at the > >> moment is getting yourself on peoples auto-trash lists. > >> > >> The Google engineers chip in when they feel we're straying from the > >> path and we all respect their views because they have a genuine > >> undeniable interest in seeing this community developer. If you compare > >> this to what we know of you, which is that you are a little known > >> developer from Idaho whose first post was less than a day ago, you can > >> hopefully see why those of us who have been trying to help build this > >> community for a while now may not see your opinion as worthy of a > >> similar level of respect. > >> > >> Now, as this has gotten off topic, I'm sure you wouldn't want to reply > >> here, would you? > >> > >> Al. > >> > >> Justin Allen Jaynes wrote: > >> > >>> Stoyan, > >>> > >>> While I thank you for informing me of two OTHER choices, I prefer to > >>> continue to inform people ABOUT the charter so they will read it. It > >>> isn't too much to ask that people use the right forum for the right > >>> discussion. > >>> > >>> This IS a DEVELOPER forum: > >>> > >>> "You're now an experienced Android application developer. You've > grasped > >>> the basics of Android app development, you're comfortable using the > SDK, > >>> now you want to move to advanced topics. Get help here with > >>> troubleshooting applications, advice on implementation, and strategies > >>> for improving your application's performance and user experience. This > >>> is the not the right place to discuss user issues (use android-discuss > >>> for that) or beginner questions with the Android SDK (use > >>> android-beginners for that)." > >>> > >>> There IS an appropriate forum for "water-cooler" talk. It is not here. > >>> It is at android-disc...@googlegroups.com > >>> > >>> http://developer.android.com/community > >>> > >>> > >>> Stoyan Damov wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Justin, calm down, it's your 5th or so message "aaargh, this is a > >>>> DEVELPER forum" - it's starting to piss me off, at least fix the typo > >>>> :P > >>>> > >>>> If you think that more than 5% of all posters on this list have read > >>>> the group charter you're fooling yourself. > >>>> > >>>> I've said it once - this is the only developer-oriented list (not to > >>>> be confused with "development-oriented" or > >>>> "SDK-questions-only-oriented" list, no matter what Google are > >>>> thinking), so there *will* be such questions. If you don't think a > >>>> post appropriate you have 2 choices: > >>>> > >>>> 1. If you're a moderator, delete the message > >>>> 2. If you're a mere mortal like us, just mute the post (if using > Gmail) > >>>> > >>>> Cheers > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Justin Allen Jaynes < > jus...@ragblue.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Actually, it is off topic and should not be here. Android-discuss > would > >>>>> be okay, though. > >>>>> > >>>>> This is a DEVELPER forum. Please keep to DEVELOPMENT topic. A quote > >>>>> from the official description of the forum: > >>>>> > >>>>> "This is the not the right place to discuss user issues (use > >>>>> android-discuss for that)." > >>>>> > >>>>> For a full description of the PROPER use of this form, and of the > >>>>> android-discuss form, go to > >>>>> > >>>>> http://developer.android.com/community > >>>>> > >>>>> Sena Gbeckor-Kove wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Personally I don't think its an issue. I think it should stay in > here > >>>>>> and android-discuss unless there is already a place for it. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> S > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 4 Mar 2009, at 17:24, John Lauricella wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Is it possible to start a new discussion group for folks who > promote > >>>>>>> their own products that compete with the Android Market, so we > don't > >>>>>>> get this constant conflict-of-interest commentary on how bad the > >>>>>>> Google system is... > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:38:49 +0000 > >>>>>>>> From: a...@funkyandroid.com <mailto:a...@funkyandroid.com> > >>>>>>>> To: android-developers@googlegroups.com > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> <mailto:android-developers@googlegroups.com> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Subject: [android-developers] Re: (OT) Is the combination of > Android > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Market and Google Checkout a joke? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I'm getting more and more tempted to open up paid-for apps on > >>>>>>>> AndAppStore where all payments go directly to the developers > account so > >>>>>>>> they can set the T&Cs. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Would this be something people would be interested in? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Al. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Semprebon wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> It would be nice if some other pricing models were available (for > >>>>>>>>> example, subscriptions), but I just don't see a "no returns" or > even a > >>>>>>>>> "no returns after 1 hour" model being very popular with users. I > may > >>>>>>>>> be wrong, but I don't think most people see these products as > >>>>>>>>> consumables in the same way you do. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Mar 2, 11:41 pm, madcoder <paperga...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I believe there should be demos and full apps in the market. It > >>>>>>>>>> shouldn't be too hard to do. If the user downloads the lite > version > >>>>>>>>>> then buys the regular version, there should be a 1-2 hour refund > >>>>>>>>>> window (in case it doesn't work as promised). This is much > better > >>>>>>>>>> than the 48 hours refund policy that allows people to have their > cake > >>>>>>>>>> and not pay for it too. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> I really wish Google would address this. They can look forward > to a > >>>>>>>>>> very lackluster market if they don't. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> * Written an Android App? - List it at http://andappstore.com/ * > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ====== > >>>>>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > >>>>>>>> company number 6741909. 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