Agreed Dan. We already started moving Market-related discussions to android-discuss.
Cheers On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Dan Morrill <[email protected]> wrote: > Actually, in this case I'm going to go ahead and request that we move > conversations of this type to android-discuss. > Normally, for our other developer products we wouldn't make such a request: > anything and everything related to the product is welcome. For instance, > discussions about this sort of thing would be fine on, say, the GWT list. > The difference with our case, however, is that android-developers is very > high-volume, and we do have the luxury of multiple lists. GWT has only one > list and (while high volume itself) it doesn't get as many messages as > android-developers. > So, I'd like to propose that we take discussions of Market to > android-discuss, and keep android-developers focused on technical, > API-related Q&A. If we continue to get enough Market-related discussion on > android-discuss, it might be an indication that we should create a list just > for that. > This should help people pick the lists they want to be subscribed to, and > get the value they hope for from them. > Thanks, > - Dan > > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 12:34 AM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Justin, >> >> This group isn't run just for your benefit and so I'm not sure why you >> think you should be the one to decide what is and isn't on-topic. >> >> In the 2 days you've been part of the group I've seen two people tell >> you your posts are not welcomed, so maybe you should take the hint, sit >> back, and use the delete button instead of the reply button to topics >> you don't want to read. >> >> As I said before, the Google engineers speak up when we're straying from >> the beaten path, and those requests are respected, but I'm afraid you >> haven't earned the respect we show them and so I would suggest you >> accept that fact that this list isn't run the way you think it should be. >> >> Al. >> >> Justin Allen Jaynes wrote: >> > Al, and all who share his sentiments, >> > >> > I am from Idaho and I am new to THIS list. But it doesn't mean I >> > haven't spend a lot of time READING this forum, and in other developer >> > forums as well. I understand how they work and that there are rules, >> > which, when followed, significantly improve the quality of the content. >> > >> > I can understand your resistance to begin complying with the rules. >> > Approximately half of your posts are off topic. However, if you were to >> > move such conversations to the android-discuss group, your relevant and >> > useful dialog there would encourage others to move to that forum as >> > well, when they wish to discuss non-development subjects. It would >> > improve both forums, to separate the content by topic, would it not? >> > >> > You are right. This discussion does add traffic to the group. But if >> > reminding the users of the group of it's clearly defined usages cuts >> > just 20 illegitimate emails out of the list daily, a few posts like this >> > are worth it. I think the majority of this groups subscribers would >> > agree. >> > >> > Justin >> > >> > Al Sutton wrote: >> > >> >> Justin, >> >> >> >> Whilst it's nice to see new people on the list, it's probably best to >> >> get a feel for how the list works rather than trying to wade in with >> >> how you think the world should work because all you're doing at the >> >> moment is getting yourself on peoples auto-trash lists. >> >> >> >> The Google engineers chip in when they feel we're straying from the >> >> path and we all respect their views because they have a genuine >> >> undeniable interest in seeing this community developer. If you compare >> >> this to what we know of you, which is that you are a little known >> >> developer from Idaho whose first post was less than a day ago, you can >> >> hopefully see why those of us who have been trying to help build this >> >> community for a while now may not see your opinion as worthy of a >> >> similar level of respect. >> >> >> >> Now, as this has gotten off topic, I'm sure you wouldn't want to reply >> >> here, would you? >> >> >> >> Al. >> >> >> >> Justin Allen Jaynes wrote: >> >> >> >>> Stoyan, >> >>> >> >>> While I thank you for informing me of two OTHER choices, I prefer to >> >>> continue to inform people ABOUT the charter so they will read it. It >> >>> isn't too much to ask that people use the right forum for the right >> >>> discussion. >> >>> >> >>> This IS a DEVELOPER forum: >> >>> >> >>> "You're now an experienced Android application developer. You've >> >>> grasped >> >>> the basics of Android app development, you're comfortable using the >> >>> SDK, >> >>> now you want to move to advanced topics. Get help here with >> >>> troubleshooting applications, advice on implementation, and strategies >> >>> for improving your application's performance and user experience. This >> >>> is the not the right place to discuss user issues (use android-discuss >> >>> for that) or beginner questions with the Android SDK (use >> >>> android-beginners for that)." >> >>> >> >>> There IS an appropriate forum for "water-cooler" talk. It is not >> >>> here. >> >>> It is at [email protected] >> >>> >> >>> http://developer.android.com/community >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Stoyan Damov wrote: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> Justin, calm down, it's your 5th or so message "aaargh, this is a >> >>>> DEVELPER forum" - it's starting to piss me off, at least fix the typo >> >>>> :P >> >>>> >> >>>> If you think that more than 5% of all posters on this list have read >> >>>> the group charter you're fooling yourself. >> >>>> >> >>>> I've said it once - this is the only developer-oriented list (not to >> >>>> be confused with "development-oriented" or >> >>>> "SDK-questions-only-oriented" list, no matter what Google are >> >>>> thinking), so there *will* be such questions. If you don't think a >> >>>> post appropriate you have 2 choices: >> >>>> >> >>>> 1. If you're a moderator, delete the message >> >>>> 2. If you're a mere mortal like us, just mute the post (if using >> >>>> Gmail) >> >>>> >> >>>> Cheers >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:18 AM, Justin Allen Jaynes >> >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> Actually, it is off topic and should not be here. Android-discuss >> >>>>> would >> >>>>> be okay, though. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> This is a DEVELPER forum. Please keep to DEVELOPMENT topic. A >> >>>>> quote >> >>>>> from the official description of the forum: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> "This is the not the right place to discuss user issues (use >> >>>>> android-discuss for that)." >> >>>>> >> >>>>> For a full description of the PROPER use of this form, and of the >> >>>>> android-discuss form, go to >> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://developer.android.com/community >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Sena Gbeckor-Kove wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Personally I don't think its an issue. I think it should stay in >> >>>>>> here >> >>>>>> and android-discuss unless there is already a place for it. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> S >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On 4 Mar 2009, at 17:24, John Lauricella wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Is it possible to start a new discussion group for folks who >> >>>>>>> promote >> >>>>>>> their own products that compete with the Android Market, so we >> >>>>>>> don't >> >>>>>>> get this constant conflict-of-interest commentary on how bad the >> >>>>>>> Google system is... >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 13:38:49 +0000 >> >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Subject: [android-developers] Re: (OT) Is the combination of >> >>>>>>>> Android >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Market and Google Checkout a joke? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I'm getting more and more tempted to open up paid-for apps on >> >>>>>>>> AndAppStore where all payments go directly to the developers >> >>>>>>>> account so >> >>>>>>>> they can set the T&Cs. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Would this be something people would be interested in? >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Al. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Semprebon wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> It would be nice if some other pricing models were available >> >>>>>>>>> (for >> >>>>>>>>> example, subscriptions), but I just don't see a "no returns" or >> >>>>>>>>> even a >> >>>>>>>>> "no returns after 1 hour" model being very popular with users. I >> >>>>>>>>> may >> >>>>>>>>> be wrong, but I don't think most people see these products as >> >>>>>>>>> consumables in the same way you do. >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Mar 2, 11:41 pm, madcoder <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I believe there should be demos and full apps in the market. It >> >>>>>>>>>> shouldn't be too hard to do. If the user downloads the lite >> >>>>>>>>>> version >> >>>>>>>>>> then buys the regular version, there should be a 1-2 hour >> >>>>>>>>>> refund >> >>>>>>>>>> window (in case it doesn't work as promised). This is much >> >>>>>>>>>> better >> >>>>>>>>>> than the 48 hours refund policy that allows people to have >> >>>>>>>>>> their cake >> >>>>>>>>>> and not pay for it too. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I really wish Google would address this. They can look forward >> >>>>>>>>>> to a >> >>>>>>>>>> very lackluster market if they don't. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> * Written an Android App? - List it at http://andappstore.com/ * >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> ====== >> >>>>>>>> Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the >> >>>>>>>> company number 6741909. 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