> > I view Android, frankly, as an unnecessary distraction to the real work of > getting open source code onto mobile devices.
And then > And in fact, I have a significant interest in Android, I've been working > with the SDK since its initial release, on and off. > It's unnecessary yet you claim to have a significant interest, wha?? I don't get it. Make your mind up before you explode. Man there is definitely something wrong with you, fix it 2008/5/18 Stone Mirror <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/5/18 Vamien McKalin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> You have been very silent for quite a while, you seem to be only >> interested in the negative press releases. While I think we don't mind a bit >> of negative press, it's the only thing I ever see you talk about here. > > > Is that the royal "we"...? > > I view Android, frankly, as an unnecessary distraction to the real work of > getting open source code onto mobile devices. There's plenty of mobile work > (apparently not, for whatever reasons, good enough for Google) going on out > in the mainstream open source community, e.g. GNOME Mobile, Ubuntu Mobile, > Moblin, etc. I'm still unclear why Google has completely ignored that work > in favor of a completely idiosyncratic approach. The work in the open source > community _is_, as Verizon says, "collaborative and collegial". Android, > unfortunately, is not. > > Google has made some peculiar claims as to the reasons for these decisions. > One is that existing technologies are "too desktop oriented", which shows > serious confusion about the technologies involved. They've also claimed that > "open source projects don't release in a predictable way", in spite of the > fact that both GNOME and Ubuntu, just to cite two examples, release every > six months like clockwork. > > Google has already said that they don't really expect the existing open > source platform community to support the Android platform, they plan to do > it themselves. With these kinds of directions, and with the kinds of > statements cited above, Google's effectively set themselves up in opposition > to the existing, mainstream, mobile open source community. I don't see that > as being either helpful or reasonable. > > (To the best of my knowledge, Google never participated, even a single > time, in, for example, any GNOME Mobile activities, either before or after > Android. It's not that they couldn't--they certainly had representatives at > the appropriate conferences. They chose not to.) > > It rises the question once more, who the hell are you? From what I can >> tell, you seem to have no real interest in Android, thus I do not see why >> you need information regarding things like this. Why do you love to spread >> propaganda on here is one question that need answering!!!!!!!!!!! > > > Use fewer exclamation points, that's my advice. > > This is a _discussion_ group, says so right in the name. You have a > difficulty with people raising issues for discussion...? I For what it's > worth, I'm an active member of the open source community, and have been for > several years, working closely with the GNOME Mobile Initiative. I don't see > what bearing that has, however. > > And in fact, I have a significant interest in Android, I've been working > with the SDK since its initial release, on and off. (And mc5 seems even > buggier than mc3, not a good sign.) > > Compared to mainstream open source--which offers support for not only Java > (_community_ Java, not some mutant semi-proprietary version), but also C, > C++, Python, Perl, PHP, you name it--Android has significant limitations. > Android offers no avenue at all for adapting existing code, just for starts. > Android requires learning a completely new method of development, with a > high learning curve (as illustrated by the contrast between the 750,000 > downloads of the SDK which Google cited, and the fewer than 1,800 > applications ultimately produced, a ratio of 0.2%, i.e. two applications > ultimately produced per 1000 downloads...) > > Maybe you can explain to me how quoting a published news story constitutes > "propaganda". It may not coincide with your specific prejudices, but it > seems perfectly fit material for _discussion_. Maybe we're only allowed to > be uncritical about Android here. That'd seem more like "propaganda" to me, > frankly... > > If you don't like what I write, feel entirely free not to read it. > > > >> >> >> 2008/5/18 Stone Mirror <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> There've been a number of stories over the past several days regarding >>> Verizon's decision to become a member of the LiMo Foundation, most of them >>> depicting it as a sign of trouble, ongoing, for Android. I found it quite >>> interesting that the reasons Verizon gave echoed many of the criticisms that >>> I've levelled against Android over the past several months (to Dan's >>> apparent dismay.) >>> >>> According to this >>> story<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/15/verizon_embraces_linux/>in >>> *The Register*, Verizon spokesperson Jeffrey Nelson said, >>> >>> We chose LiMo because it's a collaborative effort. It's not just one >>> company runs the place. We like that. We like a collegial and collaborative >>> effort, where there is no barrier to entry on the part of developers and, at >>> the end of the day, there is no one entity that can say 'OK, here's how we >>> were playing now. The rules are changed.' >>> >>> LiMo will be our preferred OS because of this openness. >>> >>> Nelson went on to say, "Google said 'Here's the plan. Sign on the dotted >>> line if you support.' It may end up being collaborative. It may end up being >>> collegial. But it need not be." >>> >>> Nope, that's not how open source development works. Not at all. Seems >>> like I'm not the only one with this view. Do you want to "correct" me on >>> this, Dan? >>> >>> -- >>> 鏡石 >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> The world is my oyster.....now only if I knew what that means! Probably >> crap. Visit AndroidGuys http://androidguys.com/ >> >> > > > -- > 鏡石 > > > -- The world is my oyster.....now only if I knew what that means! Probably crap. 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