Stone Mirror wrote: > GNOME itself, for example, probably didn't expect the KDE > folk to abandon their efforts and run to GNOME, yet GNOME has done quite > well for itself. > > > That's not a valid comparison: GNOME was an effort driven out of an open > community, from its start.
I fail to see how that invalidates it as a point of comparison of one open source project entering another open source project's market, which so happens to be the point of comparison I was drawing. But, hey, I'm not trying to convince you. I'm merely providing evidence and arguments for the folk who read this thread later. They can weigh your arguments and my responses and come to their own conclusions over the merits of your position. > No, that's a silly comparison, a language, which you can take or leave > as you like, isn't the same thing as an entire platform. My point is that open source projects enter into existing markets, even markets with existing open source projects, all the time. You're trying to draw the distinction between "platforms" and "every other market with multiple open source options", and that just makes your argument weak. After all, if it weren't for open source competition, we'd all be stuck writing in vi. > (On the other > hand, given that there's an actual Java Community Process, coming out > with a Java that's entirely outside of, and divorced from, that process > is a lot more questionable.) Clearly, those Beanshell guys (www.beanshell.org) should be drawn and quartered. As should the SuperWaba (www.superwaba.com.br) fiends. And, y'know, that Groovy syntax looks Java-ish enough that they too should be subject to your wrath. And while the Apache Harmony team is trying to follow JDK-official procedures, I'm sure that's just a front for their Java-ish language unsavory behavior, so you better go after them too. And there are probably other projects that reimplemented the Java language that I'm forgetting off the top of my head, but you better go bust some of their heads, too. Let me know how all that goes. > I pointed to an article which contained direct quotes from a Verizon > spokesperson. Are you saying that the Register's /quotations /are > somehow biased...? How's that work? By making up the quotes, for one. I've had words attributed to me in print that I know damn well I didn't say, but they were something the article's author wanted to attribute to me. From others I've talked to, this stuff is pretty commonplace -- "editorial privilege" extends to quotes, nowadays, apparently. > Are you saying they made up those > quotes Possibly. I wasn't at the event in order to have conclusive evidence one way or another. The quotes sound credible, in that I can imagine Verizon Wireless saying them. And, frankly, with Android still in the run-up to a full open source release, and given the traditional "IP" legal crap involved with not-yet-open-source projects, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if VZW did say them and really meant it. Heck, if it weren't for the last paragraph of your original message in this thread, I wouldn't have even responded. But, more to my point, had you picked just about *any* other source for the quote, I wouldn't have quibbled. The Register, for me, is a source of entertainment and rumor; I need verification from another independent reputable source before believing much of what they say. > I can point you at plenty of other sources > which contain exactly the same quotes, if you prefer... Feel free. Again, my comment wasn't so much aimed at the quote, but the place where you chose to grab the quote from. The only spot I've seen the quote is in El Reg or places that link back to El Reg, though, to be honest, I haven't spent significant time trying to find other sources of the quote. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com The Busy Coder's Guide to Android Development -- coming in June 2008! --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
