2008/5/18 Vamien McKalin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I view Android, frankly, as an unnecessary distraction to the real work of >> getting open source code onto mobile devices. > > > And then > > >> And in fact, I have a significant interest in Android, I've been working >> with the SDK since its initial release, on and off. >> > > It's unnecessary yet you claim to have a significant interest, wha?? I > don't get it. Make your mind up before you explode. Man there is definitely > something wrong with you, fix it >
I didn't say it was a *positive *interest. If you can't conduct a civil conversation, maybe you shouldn't bother responding at all. > > > 2008/5/18 Stone Mirror <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> 2008/5/18 Vamien McKalin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >>> You have been very silent for quite a while, you seem to be only >>> interested in the negative press releases. While I think we don't mind a bit >>> of negative press, it's the only thing I ever see you talk about here. >> >> >> Is that the royal "we"...? >> >> I view Android, frankly, as an unnecessary distraction to the real work of >> getting open source code onto mobile devices. There's plenty of mobile work >> (apparently not, for whatever reasons, good enough for Google) going on out >> in the mainstream open source community, e.g. GNOME Mobile, Ubuntu Mobile, >> Moblin, etc. I'm still unclear why Google has completely ignored that work >> in favor of a completely idiosyncratic approach. The work in the open source >> community _is_, as Verizon says, "collaborative and collegial". Android, >> unfortunately, is not. >> >> Google has made some peculiar claims as to the reasons for these >> decisions. One is that existing technologies are "too desktop oriented", >> which shows serious confusion about the technologies involved. They've also >> claimed that "open source projects don't release in a predictable way", in >> spite of the fact that both GNOME and Ubuntu, just to cite two examples, >> release every six months like clockwork. >> >> Google has already said that they don't really expect the existing open >> source platform community to support the Android platform, they plan to do >> it themselves. With these kinds of directions, and with the kinds of >> statements cited above, Google's effectively set themselves up in opposition >> to the existing, mainstream, mobile open source community. I don't see that >> as being either helpful or reasonable. >> >> (To the best of my knowledge, Google never participated, even a single >> time, in, for example, any GNOME Mobile activities, either before or after >> Android. It's not that they couldn't--they certainly had representatives at >> the appropriate conferences. They chose not to.) >> >> It rises the question once more, who the hell are you? From what I can >>> tell, you seem to have no real interest in Android, thus I do not see why >>> you need information regarding things like this. Why do you love to spread >>> propaganda on here is one question that need answering!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> >> Use fewer exclamation points, that's my advice. >> >> This is a _discussion_ group, says so right in the name. You have a >> difficulty with people raising issues for discussion...? I For what it's >> worth, I'm an active member of the open source community, and have been for >> several years, working closely with the GNOME Mobile Initiative. I don't see >> what bearing that has, however. >> >> And in fact, I have a significant interest in Android, I've been working >> with the SDK since its initial release, on and off. (And mc5 seems even >> buggier than mc3, not a good sign.) >> >> Compared to mainstream open source--which offers support for not only Java >> (_community_ Java, not some mutant semi-proprietary version), but also C, >> C++, Python, Perl, PHP, you name it--Android has significant limitations. >> Android offers no avenue at all for adapting existing code, just for starts. >> Android requires learning a completely new method of development, with a >> high learning curve (as illustrated by the contrast between the 750,000 >> downloads of the SDK which Google cited, and the fewer than 1,800 >> applications ultimately produced, a ratio of 0.2%, i.e. two applications >> ultimately produced per 1000 downloads...) >> >> Maybe you can explain to me how quoting a published news story constitutes >> "propaganda". It may not coincide with your specific prejudices, but it >> seems perfectly fit material for _discussion_. Maybe we're only allowed to >> be uncritical about Android here. That'd seem more like "propaganda" to me, >> frankly... >> >> If you don't like what I write, feel entirely free not to read it. >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> 2008/5/18 Stone Mirror <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> >>> There've been a number of stories over the past several days regarding >>>> Verizon's decision to become a member of the LiMo Foundation, most of them >>>> depicting it as a sign of trouble, ongoing, for Android. I found it quite >>>> interesting that the reasons Verizon gave echoed many of the criticisms >>>> that >>>> I've levelled against Android over the past several months (to Dan's >>>> apparent dismay.) >>>> >>>> According to this >>>> story<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/15/verizon_embraces_linux/>in >>>> *The Register*, Verizon spokesperson Jeffrey Nelson said, >>>> >>>> We chose LiMo because it's a collaborative effort. It's not just one >>>> company runs the place. We like that. We like a collegial and collaborative >>>> effort, where there is no barrier to entry on the part of developers and, >>>> at >>>> the end of the day, there is no one entity that can say 'OK, here's how we >>>> were playing now. The rules are changed.' >>>> >>>> LiMo will be our preferred OS because of this openness. >>>> >>>> Nelson went on to say, "Google said 'Here's the plan. Sign on the dotted >>>> line if you support.' It may end up being collaborative. It may end up >>>> being >>>> collegial. But it need not be." >>>> >>>> Nope, that's not how open source development works. Not at all. Seems >>>> like I'm not the only one with this view. Do you want to "correct" me on >>>> this, Dan? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> 鏡石 >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> The world is my oyster.....now only if I knew what that means! Probably >>> crap. Visit AndroidGuys http://androidguys.com/ >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> 鏡石 >> >> > > > -- > The world is my oyster.....now only if I knew what that means! Probably > crap. 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