..to clarify, I didn't put it there. I was just thinking "thats a bad place.. I wonder what would be clearer."
On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:28 PM, Disconnect <[email protected]>wrote: > Yah, I agree its kind of in a bad place. But I couldn't think of anywhere > else to put it, since it basically covers apps that are free -in the > market-. > > Maybe in it's own block.. > > Either way, the googs say its been forced on them by the carrier(s) as a > requirement for shipping market on the phones (and that the 'tax' taken off > - 40% iirc - is not kept by goog) .. how true that is, meh. I dunno. I know > they have little reason to lie, but.. > > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Blimey, I missed that one tacked on the end of 3.3. >> >> Seems totally contradictory to say "In order to charge a fee for your >> Products, you must have a valid Payment Account under a separate >> agreement with a Payment Processor.", and then two clauses later say >> "All fees received by Developers for Products distributed via the Market >> must be processed by the Market's Payment Processor". >> >> That bit of 3.3 would mean that any pay-for app you distribute via >> Market can not be distributed by any other means or integrated into any >> other payment system (otherwise you would be receiving some fees for a >> product distributed via the Market by the processing of a non-Market >> payment processor), which is distinctly not good and totally messes up >> the business model of app directories handling app payments. >> >> Thankfully Market is closed source which means that some of the porting >> groups have been looking at alternatives, so you'll be seeing the >> AndAppStore client on some Android devices in the near future and >> developers can leverage it to retain the choice of payment processor. >> >> Al. >> >> Disconnect wrote: >> > 3.3 ..You may not collect future charges from users for copies of the >> > Products that those users were initially allowed to download for free. >> > .. However, if you want to collect fees after the free trial expires, >> > you must collect all fees for the full version of the Product through >> > the Payment Processor on the Market. ... All fees received by >> > Developers for Products distributed via the Market must be processed >> > by the Market's Payment Processor. >> > >> > >> > Thou shalt not use the market to distribute an app, and then collect >> > money somewhere else. >> > >> > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Al Sutton <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Can you point out exactly where the Market T&Cs say you have to go >> > through Markets payment processor? >> > >> > Using a non-Marketplace payment processor isn't listed as >> unacceptable >> > in either the "Market Developer Content Policies" >> > ( >> http://market.android.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=113474&topic=15866 >> > < >> http://market.android.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=113474&topic=15866 >> >) >> > or the "ANDROID MARKET CONTENT POLICY FOR DEVELOPERS" >> > (http://www.android.com/market/terms/developer-content-policy.html >> ), >> > in >> > fact neither of these documents even contain the words pay, >> > payment, or >> > paid. >> > >> > The Market Developer distribution agreement at >> > http://www.android.com/us/developer-distribution-agreement.html >> > says in 3.1; >> > >> > "In order to charge a fee for your Products, you must have a valid >> > Payment Account under a separate agreement with a Payment >> > Processor. If >> > you already have a Payment Account with a Payment Processor before >> > signing up for the Market, then the terms of this Agreement shall >> > supersede your Payment Account terms and condition for Products >> > sold via >> > the Market." >> > >> > which seems to contradict what you say by talking about generic >> > Payment >> > Processors with which the developer has an agreement with before >> even >> > signing up to Market. >> > >> > As for it being a misleading the OP was making the point that paid >> > apps >> > increase the quality of availability, and I was pointing out that >> paid >> > apps are already a possibility but the companies trying to roll >> > them out >> > are being actively undermined by Googles removal of apps using >> > them from >> > the Market. I understand the world of commercial reasons for it, but >> > Market was described as "an open service hosted by Google that >> > features >> > a feedback and rating system similar to YouTube" in the Android >> > Developers blog >> > ( >> http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/08/android-market-user-driven-content.html >> ), >> > so imagine of YouTube started taking down videos of bands just >> because >> > they put up "Buy our album at www.????? in a strap line". >> > >> > Al. >> > >> > Disconnect wrote: >> > > The market ToS require all payments for apps downloaded from the >> > > market to go through the market. So "here is a free trial" is only >> > > acceptable when followed by "..there is no full version yet" or >> "the >> > > full version is available in the market". There are quite a few >> > list >> > > threads related to that and the google people have been very >> > > forthcoming about the reasoning and problems they have had with >> > > carrier acceptance, etc. >> > > >> > > Google has also been very clear that payment is going to be an >> > option >> > > in first quarter, hopefully as early as mid January. >> > > >> > > It is somewhat misleading to leave that fact out when answering.. >> > > >> > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Al Sutton <[email protected] >> > <mailto:[email protected]> >> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >> > > >> > > >> > > Developers can currently distribute pay-for apps through one >> > of the >> > > Market alternatives (AndAppStore, SlideMe, etc.), and pay-for >> > > functionality is available for integration in any app via >> > systems such >> > > as Mogees. >> > > >> > > The problem at the moment is that Google seem to be actively >> > removing >> > > apps from Market which have a pay-for option, so you may want >> to >> > > try one >> > > of the alternatives and help support those developers who are >> > > trying to >> > > make a go of Android development pay-for apps by going to >> > one of the >> > > alternatives and seeing if there is something you like. >> > > >> > > Al. >> > > http://andappstore.com/ >> > > >> > > >> > > j wrote: >> > > > Is there any info on when paid apps will be supported on >> > Market? I >> > > > heard it would be in 2009 but which month? >> > > > >> > > > Once that happens, we will see much higher quality apps on >> > > Market. I >> > > > can't wait! >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > ====== >> > > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with >> the >> > > company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp >> > House, >> > > 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK. >> > > >> > > The views expressed in this email are those of the author >> > and not >> > > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's associates, >> > or it's >> > > subsidiaries. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > ====== >> > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the >> > company number 6741909. 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