Does anyone know if there are any reasons why a person couldn't just create a website that reflects the current Android Market and update it regularly? (I know this would be a tough job to accomplish manually, but I am trying to find out if Google has some legal language that prevents this.)
On Dec 25, 2:53 am, Al Sutton <[email protected]> wrote: > I think in it's own block would be a good start, beyond that remove any > references in section 3 which could be interpreted as allowing other > payment processors (such as 3.1). > > 30% is what the Apple App Store takes so I can see it as the model used > by the carriers of a successful viable application store. (btw, has it > gone up to 40%?, the original blog post said 30% > -http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/10/android-market-now-ava...) > > From a business point of view it really sucks that Google even shipped > an app store as part of the firmware that uses APIs not available to > third party apps. It would have been far less "evil" (and more Google) > to have an app store website which didn't have special access to > functionality. > > Al. > > Disconnect wrote: > > Yah, I agree its kind of in a bad place. But I couldn't think of > > anywhere else to put it, since it basically covers apps that are free > > -in the market-. > > > Maybe in it's own block.. > > > Either way, the googs say its been forced on them by the carrier(s) as > > a requirement for shipping market on the phones (and that the 'tax' > > taken off - 40% iirc - is not kept by goog) .. how true that is, meh. > > I dunno. I know they have little reason to lie, but.. > > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:35 PM, Al Sutton <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > > Blimey, I missed that one tacked on the end of 3.3. > > > Seems totally contradictory to say "In order to charge a fee for your > > Products, you must have a valid Payment Account under a separate > > agreement with a Payment Processor.", and then two clauses later say > > "All fees received by Developers for Products distributed via the > > Market > > must be processed by the Market's Payment Processor". > > > That bit of 3.3 would mean that any pay-for app you distribute via > > Market can not be distributed by any other means or integrated > > into any > > other payment system (otherwise you would be receiving some fees for a > > product distributed via the Market by the processing of a non-Market > > payment processor), which is distinctly not good and totally messes up > > the business model of app directories handling app payments. > > > Thankfully Market is closed source which means that some of the > > porting > > groups have been looking at alternatives, so you'll be seeing the > > AndAppStore client on some Android devices in the near future and > > developers can leverage it to retain the choice of payment processor. > > > Al. > > > Disconnect wrote: > > > 3.3 ..You may not collect future charges from users for copies > > of the > > > Products that those users were initially allowed to download for > > free. > > > .. However, if you want to collect fees after the free trial > > expires, > > > you must collect all fees for the full version of the Product > > through > > > the Payment Processor on the Market. ... All fees received by > > > Developers for Products distributed via the Market must be processed > > > by the Market's Payment Processor. > > > > Thou shalt not use the market to distribute an app, and then collect > > > money somewhere else. > > > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 10:58 AM, Al Sutton <[email protected] > > <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > > > > Can you point out exactly where the Market T&Cs say you have > > to go > > > through Markets payment processor? > > > > Using a non-Marketplace payment processor isn't listed as > > unacceptable > > > in either the "Market Developer Content Policies" > > > > > (http://market.android.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=113474&topic=1... > > > > <http://market.android.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=113474&topic=1...> > > > > > <http://market.android.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=113474&topic=1... > > > > <http://market.android.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=113474&topic=1...>>) > > > or the "ANDROID MARKET CONTENT POLICY FOR DEVELOPERS" > > > (http://www.android.com/market/terms/developer-content-policy.html), > > > in > > > fact neither of these documents even contain the words pay, > > > payment, or > > > paid. > > > > The Market Developer distribution agreement at > > > http://www.android.com/us/developer-distribution-agreement.html > > > says in 3.1; > > > > "In order to charge a fee for your Products, you must have a > > valid > > > Payment Account under a separate agreement with a Payment > > > Processor. If > > > you already have a Payment Account with a Payment Processor > > before > > > signing up for the Market, then the terms of this Agreement > > shall > > > supersede your Payment Account terms and condition for Products > > > sold via > > > the Market." > > > > which seems to contradict what you say by talking about generic > > > Payment > > > Processors with which the developer has an agreement with > > before even > > > signing up to Market. > > > > As for it being a misleading the OP was making the point > > that paid > > > apps > > > increase the quality of availability, and I was pointing out > > that paid > > > apps are already a possibility but the companies trying to roll > > > them out > > > are being actively undermined by Googles removal of apps using > > > them from > > > the Market. I understand the world of commercial reasons for > > it, but > > > Market was described as "an open service hosted by Google that > > > features > > > a feedback and rating system similar to YouTube" in the Android > > > Developers blog > > > > > (http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/08/android-market-user-dr...), > > > so imagine of YouTube started taking down videos of bands > > just because > > > they put up "Buy our album at www.????? in a strap line". > > > > Al. > > > > Disconnect wrote: > > > > The market ToS require all payments for apps downloaded > > from the > > > > market to go through the market. So "here is a free trial" > > is only > > > > acceptable when followed by "..there is no full version > > yet" or "the > > > > full version is available in the market". There are quite > > a few > > > list > > > > threads related to that and the google people have been very > > > > forthcoming about the reasoning and problems they have had > > with > > > > carrier acceptance, etc. > > > > > Google has also been very clear that payment is going to be an > > > option > > > > in first quarter, hopefully as early as mid January. > > > > > It is somewhat misleading to leave that fact out when > > answering.. > > > > > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Al Sutton > > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> > > > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>>> wrote: > > > > > Developers can currently distribute pay-for apps > > through one > > > of the > > > > Market alternatives (AndAppStore, SlideMe, etc.), and > > pay-for > > > > functionality is available for integration in any app via > > > systems such > > > > as Mogees. > > > > > The problem at the moment is that Google seem to be > > actively > > > removing > > > > apps from Market which have a pay-for option, so you > > may want to > > > > try one > > > > of the alternatives and help support those developers > > who are > > > > trying to > > > > make a go of Android development pay-for apps by going to > > > one of the > > > > alternatives and seeing if there is something you like. > > > > > Al. > > > > http://andappstore.com/ > > > > > j wrote: > > > > > Is there any info on when paid apps will be supported on > > > Market? I > > > > > heard it would be in 2009 but which month? > > > > > > Once that happens, we will see much higher quality > > apps on > > > > Market. I > > > > > can't wait! > > > > > -- > > > > ====== > > > > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales > > with the > > > > company number 6741909. The registered head office is > > Kemp > > > House, > > > > 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK. > > > > > The views expressed in this email are those of the author > > > and not > > > > necessarily those of Funky Android Limited, it's > > associates, > > > or it's > > > > subsidiaries. > > > > -- > > > ====== > > > Funky Android Limited is registered in England & Wales with the > > > company number 6741909. The registered head office is Kemp > > House, > > > 152-160 City Road, London, EC1V 2NX, UK. > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Discuss" group. 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