Stoyan Damov wrote: > Especially when > Google are so strongly supported by so many zealots who think Google > devs can't make bugs and it's all the developers' fault.
Since I suspect that's aimed in my general direction, let me be clear: Google developers can "make bugs". Considering how many they have pointed out on these lists, I suspect they'd be the first to tell you that they "make bugs". You have reported several bugs on these lists. As I recall, for these, you indicated, in no uncertain terms, that if they affected you, they must affect everyone, and that they are clearly bugs in Android proper with no other possible cause. I don't recall in any of those situations questioning whether the symptoms were real. I asked for more evidence on the claims that they affect everyone, that they were unequivocally bugs in Android proper, plus for ways to reproduce the problems. The latter is the most important, because no matter how the symptoms are caused, without reproducible scenarios, fixing them is well nigh impossible. In some cases (e.g., force-close-after-update), such evidence has arrived, at least on the first two points. If we're lucky, the same thing that causes this problem is what causes the similar force-close triggered by changes to the AndroidManifest.xml file, that somebody reported, I reproduced, and I opened an issue for. I doubt they're the same thing, but one can only hope, since reproducing force-close-after-update is obviously difficult. In some cases (e.g., "TERRIBLE BUG"), evidence definitely points to a bug in the build tools, though no evidence has arrived that indicates it is currently affecting every Android developer. And, IIRC, we still don't have a reproducible test case. In some cases (e.g., takes-15-seconds-to-pick-up), we have neither evidence of a widespread phenomenon nor conclusive evidence of a purely OS problem. In this specific case, I'm still backing my theory that it's out-of-spec hardware that is reacting poorly with a new driver in RC33. Heck, if I were HTC, I'd buy your phone off of you, just to have a sample of the problem on hand. Alas, I am not HTC, nor do I play HTC on TV. If I'm a zealot for asking for evidence to back up sweeping claims and broad generalizations, and for hoping for more civil discourse than sometimes is seen on these lists, then I'm comfortable with that. -- Mark Murphy (a Commons Guy) http://commonsware.com | http://twitter.com/commonsguy Android App Developer Books: http://commonsware.com/books.html --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
