Your argument makes no sense. I am not asking Google to release the source code of their apps. I assume you understand that this is what open source means? I am just asking Google to make the binaries (apks) of their apps available on the Android Market for everyone to freely download. These can be closed sourced. All the pay for apps on the market are closed sourced and most of the freeware too.
Coming to why your argument makes no sense. The reason is: Your dad's company makes an application, but they don't release it in the public. That is fine. This is their own decision. However, your dad's company doesn't make the same application for every other mobile phone OS out there. They also don't make it freely available for every other mobile phone OS out there. They don't only restrict that application for their OWN mobile OS. Can you see the logic in that? Neither can I. Again, Cyanogen was in no way changing the source code of these apps (the code isn't available in the first place). Neither was he reverse engineering the apps. All he was doing was distributing the apps with the rom. These apps are already freely distributed by Google for every other phone OS. If Google has a problem with a 3rd party (Cyanogen) distributing their apps, why don't they distribute the apps themselves? Why neglect your own OS? Why are they not available on the market place? That brings me to the argument that Android is just a linux OS. The modifications that Google makes with their closed source apps is not Android, but a "Google Experience" device. Fine. Let's believe that for a second and just take it at face value. So, Android, a mobile phone OS, is not supposed to come with the Google apps. Google does us a favour by including them, but they are not in Android's licensing agreements. This is fine. Then why not make the Google apps available for the Android OS? They are already available for WM, Symbian, Blackberry, iPhone, etc. Even normal java based phones! Why not make the apps separately available for the Android OS? Why neglect your child? Why deprive your child of the tools that all the other kids are using? The same tools your OWN company makes? As I said, it boggles the mind. On Sep 29, 2:11 am, Andrew Hays <[email protected]> wrote: > Your argument makes no sense. > > They don't include the apps because they don't have to. It's their > application. My father's company has an android application that they > didn't release to the public because they want it to stay "in-house." More > power to them (iPhone can't do that when it's locked). The reason they > don't release their own applications as open source on their own OS is > simply because they don't have to. It's not our right to receive the apps > as open source just because we bought their phone. Not *everything needs to > be open source. The apps are restricted because they don't want them > getting out, plain and simple.* > ------------------http://andrewhays.nethttp://ashays.livejournal.com > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 4:04 PM, PhoenixAG <[email protected]> wrote: > > > To all those who think that Google may be even a little "correct" in > > what they have done: > > > This post is for you. Please read it carefully and feel free to > > forward it to Google. > > > Ok, so let me point out the absolute RETARDEDNESS of the situation. > > > Google objects to Gmail, Maps, Contacts Sync, GTalk, being included > > with the CyanogenMod rom. > > These same apps are available for almost EVERY OTHER phone out there. > > I have used Gmail, GMaps, Sync on my blackberry, symbian and WM > > device. I have used Gtalk on my blackberry. > > > WHY are these apps not available in the market place? Ok, let Cyanogen > > come up with a clean rom. Let him get rid of these apps. But why not > > make it easy for us to just download these apps and install them? Why > > RESTRICT your own apps from your OWN OS??? When you are making > > available the SAME APPS for all the other phones out there? > > > The retardedness of it boggles the mind. They must be smoking > > something up there, right? > > > On Sep 29, 1:20 am, Andrew Hays <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The fact of the matter is, Google did what they needed to and what was > > > right. Whether or not you like the idea of what they've done is a > > > completely different story. The OS is open source, yes, but the > > > applications are not, and they have a right to distribute those as they > > > like. Therefore, they've left the platform open, without giving access > > to > > > all of the apps. It's a reasonable approach and still leaves the > > platform > > > open. Even if it's not as open as everyone would like. > > > ------------------http://andrewhays.nethttp://ashays.livejournal.com > > > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Felipemnoa <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Go ahead and join apple. Nothing wrong with being able to program in > > more > > > > than one phone. If you look at things objectively google has done > > nothing > > > > wrong. > > > > > On Sep 25, 2009, at 8:27 PM, Calvin <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Google, > > > > > If you are going to play this card, then you need to supply a way for > > > > the user to sync our information. THAT PART needs to be open source or > > > > licensable. I understand that you may need to have protections on > > > > those apps, but WE are taking the risk that Cyanogen is not malicious. > > > > > I paid for an OPEN SOURCE Android phone with Google. That means I paid > > > > for the rights to use these closed source apps and services ALONG with > > > > the open source OS. Explain to me how the ROM is "supposedly" open > > > > source. Does that mean that I need to compile all of my own ROMs in > > > > order to have a modified ROM? Your "closed source" google apps are WAY > > > > too ingrained and integrated into the OS to allow a separation. This > > > > makes all that "open source" talk no more than Symbian claiming to be > > > > open source. > > > > > Because honestly, without Cyanogen's mods, the G1 is LAME. I am > > > > constantly defending its abilities (or lack thereof) with the fact > > > > that my phone is part of an open source alliance. Now, the Apple > > > > fanboys are going to win. And unfortunately, I may have to join them. > > > > Either hire Cyanogen or license him to distribute google apps. Its not > > > > like he's changing them. He's optimizing the Linux Kernel that you > > > > chose to use in the name of "open-source". > > > > > You need to stop these silly Apple-like games before Android becomes > > > > an afterthought. > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > The Truly Disappointed. > > > > > On Sep 25, 4:16 pm, Eric F <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Now that the Lawyers are involved, I doubt Cyanogen will be able to > > > > release any additional ROMs at all. Even without those apps, I'm sure > > > > the ROMs include little bits of proprietary files required to get the > > > > OS to boot on existing hardware. I don't think there is a single piece > > > > of released hardware that the AOSP runs on (not even the ADP1). So I > > > > don't think the Lawyers will let up because the next custom ROM only > > > > uses a couple of proprietary HTC files. I'm guessing it's done for > > > > good. > > > > > On Sep 25, 11:37 am, "L!TH!UM" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I was initially disappointed to hear this news, but after thinking > > > > about it a bit, it was a necessary one. The big issue is that > > > > Cyanogen is including the google APKs like Google Mail, Google Maps, > > > > etc. These are closed applications and not part of the Android OS, > > > > and if Google lets this slide, they may not be able to defend against > > > > other ROMs including these APKs without permission. Also, consider > > > > what would happen if any of those APKs were modified to do something > > > > devious, like send contact info to some server out there on the > > > > interwebs. Who do you think users would initially blame? I'm > > > > guessing they'd blame Google regardless of the fact that they modded > > > > their phone. > > > > > This C&D does not prevent Cyanogen from making custom ROMs, he/she/ > > > > they just cannot include those google applications anymore. I can > > > > understand this move and hope the modding community takes note and > > > > keeps up the modding, minus these apps (unfortunately). > > > > > ~L!TH > > > > > On Sep 25, 7:57 am, PhoenixAG <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Google, > > > > > We love you as a company and love the Android platform. It is only > > > > made better when it is enhanced by people like Cyanogen who use the > > > > open nature of the platform to further it and attracts many more > > > > people to it, as a result. > > > > > I am one of the people who was attracted towards Android not for the > > > > official rom, but because of the open nature of Android and that I > > > > could use a custom rom on it. > > > > > Someone who has put in so much hard work on the platform should not be > > > > told to cease and desist, but commended and encouraged to continue to > > > > work better. > > > > > Don't become Apple! > > > > > The 30,000 users of CyanogenMod and many more Android users will thank > > > > you for it. > > > > > Remember, "Don't be Evil!" --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Discuss" group. 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