Lets join pretend-land (actually, I take that back. Lets not. I forgot that maps is available in the market already.)
Lets look at maps. It is in the market, it runs as a standalone app, etc. (It is even arguably -way- more core to the 'platform' than gmail syncing, since it powers a core service - mapview.) Now, lets take a magic future AOSP device, where you can actually do stuff without the proprietary bins. (It is under construction, so it is not unreasonable to assume it will appear someday, prolly sooner than later. Well.. at least as far as google proprietary bins. HTC is a whole nother issue, and google is basically just saying "lalalalalala" about it.) How do you get maps onto your new device? Market is closed source. (In fact, Dianne posted a while ago that market was the BIGGEST piece of the google experience, and the one they would be most willing to defend. It is the big carrot they use to force vendors to sign up for google experience stuff.) And if you think they're going to offer maps from their website, for free, well thats just crazy talk. Thats like.. well... ok, now that is like every other phone platform out there and some I'd never heard of. But they can't do that, cuz this is ANDROID. This is their flagship product, and having google maps on it would be..like... OK well this is where I give up. But putting it in market is not a solution, because they are defending market vigorously. (And by extension, they won't use the alt markets either.) On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 5:04 PM, PhoenixAG <[email protected]> wrote: > > To all those who think that Google may be even a little "correct" in > what they have done: > > This post is for you. Please read it carefully and feel free to > forward it to Google. > > Ok, so let me point out the absolute RETARDEDNESS of the situation. > > Google objects to Gmail, Maps, Contacts Sync, GTalk, being included > with the CyanogenMod rom. > These same apps are available for almost EVERY OTHER phone out there. > I have used Gmail, GMaps, Sync on my blackberry, symbian and WM > device. I have used Gtalk on my blackberry. > > WHY are these apps not available in the market place? Ok, let Cyanogen > come up with a clean rom. Let him get rid of these apps. But why not > make it easy for us to just download these apps and install them? Why > RESTRICT your own apps from your OWN OS??? When you are making > available the SAME APPS for all the other phones out there? > > The retardedness of it boggles the mind. They must be smoking > something up there, right? > > On Sep 29, 1:20 am, Andrew Hays <[email protected]> wrote: >> The fact of the matter is, Google did what they needed to and what was >> right. Whether or not you like the idea of what they've done is a >> completely different story. The OS is open source, yes, but the >> applications are not, and they have a right to distribute those as they >> like. Therefore, they've left the platform open, without giving access to >> all of the apps. It's a reasonable approach and still leaves the platform >> open. Even if it's not as open as everyone would like. >> ------------------http://andrewhays.nethttp://ashays.livejournal.com >> >> On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Felipemnoa <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Go ahead and join apple. Nothing wrong with being able to program in more >> > than one phone. If you look at things objectively google has done nothing >> > wrong. >> >> > On Sep 25, 2009, at 8:27 PM, Calvin <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Google, >> >> > If you are going to play this card, then you need to supply a way for >> > the user to sync our information. THAT PART needs to be open source or >> > licensable. I understand that you may need to have protections on >> > those apps, but WE are taking the risk that Cyanogen is not malicious. >> >> > I paid for an OPEN SOURCE Android phone with Google. That means I paid >> > for the rights to use these closed source apps and services ALONG with >> > the open source OS. Explain to me how the ROM is "supposedly" open >> > source. Does that mean that I need to compile all of my own ROMs in >> > order to have a modified ROM? Your "closed source" google apps are WAY >> > too ingrained and integrated into the OS to allow a separation. This >> > makes all that "open source" talk no more than Symbian claiming to be >> > open source. >> >> > Because honestly, without Cyanogen's mods, the G1 is LAME. I am >> > constantly defending its abilities (or lack thereof) with the fact >> > that my phone is part of an open source alliance. Now, the Apple >> > fanboys are going to win. And unfortunately, I may have to join them. >> > Either hire Cyanogen or license him to distribute google apps. Its not >> > like he's changing them. He's optimizing the Linux Kernel that you >> > chose to use in the name of "open-source". >> >> > You need to stop these silly Apple-like games before Android becomes >> > an afterthought. >> >> > Sincerely, >> >> > The Truly Disappointed. >> >> > On Sep 25, 4:16 pm, Eric F <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Now that the Lawyers are involved, I doubt Cyanogen will be able to >> > release any additional ROMs at all. Even without those apps, I'm sure >> > the ROMs include little bits of proprietary files required to get the >> > OS to boot on existing hardware. I don't think there is a single piece >> > of released hardware that the AOSP runs on (not even the ADP1). So I >> > don't think the Lawyers will let up because the next custom ROM only >> > uses a couple of proprietary HTC files. I'm guessing it's done for >> > good. >> >> > On Sep 25, 11:37 am, "L!TH!UM" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > I was initially disappointed to hear this news, but after thinking >> > about it a bit, it was a necessary one. The big issue is that >> > Cyanogen is including the google APKs like Google Mail, Google Maps, >> > etc. These are closed applications and not part of the Android OS, >> > and if Google lets this slide, they may not be able to defend against >> > other ROMs including these APKs without permission. Also, consider >> > what would happen if any of those APKs were modified to do something >> > devious, like send contact info to some server out there on the >> > interwebs. Who do you think users would initially blame? I'm >> > guessing they'd blame Google regardless of the fact that they modded >> > their phone. >> >> > This C&D does not prevent Cyanogen from making custom ROMs, he/she/ >> > they just cannot include those google applications anymore. I can >> > understand this move and hope the modding community takes note and >> > keeps up the modding, minus these apps (unfortunately). >> >> > ~L!TH >> >> > On Sep 25, 7:57 am, PhoenixAG <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Google, >> >> > We love you as a company and love the Android platform. It is only >> > made better when it is enhanced by people like Cyanogen who use the >> > open nature of the platform to further it and attracts many more >> > people to it, as a result. >> >> > I am one of the people who was attracted towards Android not for the >> > official rom, but because of the open nature of Android and that I >> > could use a custom rom on it. >> >> > Someone who has put in so much hard work on the platform should not be >> > told to cease and desist, but commended and encouraged to continue to >> > work better. >> >> > Don't become Apple! >> >> > The 30,000 users of CyanogenMod and many more Android users will thank >> > you for it. >> >> > Remember, "Don't be Evil!" > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Discuss" group. 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