I agree that this is the way you would have to do it. I am
disappointed because I have over 150 apps on my cyanogen-modded phone,
including 50 paid apps. (Try that on your stock G1 ;) )

I have tried the various backup apps, and I have not been pleased with
the results. Some apps can be restored just fine, while others never
quite come back (need uninstall/reinstalls). This method as described
would be a nightmare for me.

[Tangential rant] I believe that people like me are a great boon to
the developer community. Having 50 apps that I paid for running on my
phone is a good thing, right? In fact, the main reason I rooted my
phone was because I ran out of space and had to uninstall apps that I
had paid for. Then, I found that the modded roms were actually faster
and more stable than stock...[/Tangential rant]

--Ed



On Sep 29, 9:06 am, lbcoder <[email protected]> wrote:
> It is not as bad as you think...
>
> You see, you are still entitled to whatever updates are supposed to
> come with your phone.
>
> Which means that there are at least a couple of solutions to your
> concern;
> 1) restore factory image and take the update, back up the updated
> apps, reinstall the modified firmware, restore the new backup.
> 2) capture the update that is targeted to your device and apply only
> the parts of it that you want to. This can even be automated!
>
> ** the update comes down as clear as day. It is a zip file, no
> password, no encryption, no file that says you can't rip it apart.
>
> On Sep 29, 9:48 am, Mouseclone <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > I have recently read the bacup/restore of the Google applications.
>
> > I also see that I will not be able to get updates to these
> > applications.  Any updates that Google makes will be placed in a
> > locked down OS.
>
> > T-Mobile should provide the apps if you have a Google phone.  I'm sure
> > they they would look at it as a none supported device and wouldn't
> > redistribute the software to people either.
>
> > It is upsetting that I have paid for the Software and I will be unable
> > to use it and because I paid for it, I should, in the least, be
> > supplied with a way to download the software off of my T-Mobile
> > account, and add it to my phone.  Other carriers should do the same,
> > not just T-Mobile.
>
> > I'm going to digress now, and just watch what happens.  If all else
> > fails I can live with out Google on the phone.
>
> > On Sep 28, 4:52 pm, lbcoder <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > They can't do that because the phone is independent of the carrier,
> > > i.e., the HTC DREAM can be used on MANY different carrier networks,
> > > and depending on the retailer, may or may not be licensed to carry the
> > > google devices, therefore it can't be a hardware-availability either.
>
> > > You are also misinformed about the legality... you have a google
> > > experience device, which means that you ARE licensed to use those apps
> > > on your device. The big issue isn't in YOUR use of those apps on YOUR
> > > phone, but rather the mechanism of DISTRIBUTION of those apps, i.e.
> > > Cyanogen had no license to distribute those apps with his mod
> > > firmware.
>
> > > Your solution to this problem is to use the upcoming no-google-closed-
> > > source custom builds and to use YOUR LEGAL BACKUP of the google-closed-
> > > source apps. They're closed source, so not modified between custom
> > > builds anyways.
>
> > > On Sep 28, 1:37 pm, Mouseclone <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > I did a small write up on my tech blog (19incheswide.com) about
> > > > Cyanogen and Google.  I understand that Google has a point, still
> > > > doesn't mean that I'm not pissed at Google about it.  I just am.
>
> > > > As for an idea that might put some of this to rest.
>
> > > > Google, is there a possibility that you can build an App Pack for
> > > > carriers or phones that are "Google Phones".  I bought my phone from a
> > > > T-Mobile store.  Personally I feel that I should have the right to
> > > > continue to run the apps because I have bought a license to run the
> > > > apps on this phone.  I personally didn't think that I violated any
> > > > rules by running a modified version for Android.
>
> > > > The reason for the App Pack is because of the deal(s) that YOU
> > > > (Google) and T-Mobile seem to have made at some point in time.  At
> > > > YouTube is not in the market place I can only assume that the YouTube
> > > > app was part of the T-Mobile deal.
>
> > > > Google, you should be able to make App Packs based on the type of
> > > > phone and the carrier that I have.  Google Maps seems to be free as it
> > > > is in the Market Place.  Then again, I soon will not be able to get to
> > > > the Market Place because there is no way for me to install it.
>
> > > > I'm also going to miss the integration of Google in my phone, with my
> > > > contacts, calendar, maps, and gmail.  I was in the process of moving
> > > > things to Google from other accounts, but it seems I will have to wait
> > > > until things are sorted out with CyanogenMod to be able to continue my
> > > > working with Google.
>
> > > > I bought the phone not because of YOU (Google) but because it was
> > > > OSS.  I will continue to use Android and Android Mods like Cyanogen,
> > > > with or without Google integration.
>
> > > > So You and T-Mobile get together and make an AppPack that the rest of
> > > > us can use that own a G1 / MyTouch and bought them from T-Mobile.
>
>
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