I get a feeling the Market team was not allowed to look at Handago or other esellers or the Market would have been set up differently.
- Brian RichardC wrote: > IANAL > > There are 2 sorts of taxes we need to concider "sales tax" and "local > income or corporate tax". Taking "sales tax" first: > > Because the "sales tax" laws are so complicated especially with > international transactions I do expect a market site (Google Market) > to provide this for me as part of the percentage fee they charge. > This includes tracking and changing the taxes applied (to each sale) > as relevant tax laws in each country change. It is impossible for > small developers to investigate and implement all the local sales > taxes especially as there is still disagreement (especially with > internet transactions) regarding which country (or even state in the > US) the point-of-sale takes place in. > > "Local income or corporate taxes" are another matter and should NOT be > processed by the market provider. > > Have a look Handango for an example of this being done better. > > In addition I have two thoughts about selling in the EU market (if I > am correct IANAL) : > 1. In the EU it is not legal to display prices (to end-users) that do > not include all taxes and delivery charges. That is the prices should > not change beteen the listing screen and the final purchase screen. > 2. Who is the customers (end-user) relationship with (a) Google or (b) > the Developer. I believe it is Google which puts the onus on Google > to display the "correct" and final price. > > > In summary I am disappointed in the approach Google is taking at the > moment and I am hoping that they will do better in the future. > > IANAL > > -- > RichardC > > > On Nov 11, 11:48 am, niko20 <[email protected]> wrote: > >> IF you look at the original posting, he says "how does the money get >> to the US government", so he WAS talking more about federal taxes. For >> us in the US, that's just a Schedule C form that you fill out. Also, I >> agree tax law for online purchases really is a not-well-defined area >> yet - such as state taxes. Each state has their own laws about it. >> >> For those in other countries, just do some research on tax laws in >> your country. >> >> It basically comes down to this - do some research. When it's stuff >> that is law, like taxes, the info will usually be out there on the web >> on a government website, etc. >> >> -niko >> >> On Nov 11, 2:57 am, Cédric Berger <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 05:49, Arron <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sales tax is usually imposed onto the buyer so by not collecting these >>>> up front, developers are now charged for this amount. Inside Google >>>> Checkout, they have an area where you can specify sales taxes but I >>>> have to manually input all the percents. Maintaining the right sale >>>> tax %, informing buyers about this (since they will freak out), and >>>> separating this out from your normal income will be a big HASSLE. >>>> Additionally Google Checkout in general offers the poorest reporting >>>> features I have seen from any of the other competitors. >>>> >>>> Companies pay heavy money for accounting firms to do this for them. >>>> As a developer, I have to take care of all of this?? I am unsure of >>>> what to do and will probably do it wrong. And considering that I did >>>> not impose any sales taxes to my buyers so far, I will need to pay all >>>> of that out of my own pocket. >>>> >>>> Apple calculates ALL of this for you and is included in their 30% >>>> cut... >>>> >>>> Android Market is terrible and Google/Android in general has no idea >>>> what the heck they are doing. I wonder if they even thought this out >>>> correctly at all. >>>> >>>> On Nov 10, 8:22 pm, Brian Conrad <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I'm not a tax attorney either and yes having been a contract programmer >>>>> for years I know the form C and 1099 stuff. But the Google clause is >>>>> about the developers collecting sales tax. I'm not sure that is even >>>>> legal. It would be like asking Kraft Foods to collect sales tax for >>>>> their products sold at Safeway. If Google is going to operate a market >>>>> I believe under the law they are liable for collecting the taxes not the >>>>> vendors. But I'll be looking some more at the agreement tomorrow. >>>>> >>>>> - Brian >>>>> >>>>> niko20 wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm no tax lawyer, but in the past years I've done contract jobs on >>>>>> rentacoder.com, they don't do any tax stuff either, but at the end of >>>>>> the year you get a 1099 form. I'm assuming Google may send us one of >>>>>> those. If not, you can report your income anyway in the U.S. on a >>>>>> Schedule C form. It's not really that hard. It's called self >>>>>> employment tax. >>>>>> >>>>>> The big benefit is you can deduct anything that is a business related >>>>>> expense before applying the tax. Last year you could deduct up to >>>>>> about $5000 without having to itemize the deductions. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just check out the irs.gov website, it explains everything pretty >>>>>> well. >>>>>> >>>>>> -niko >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 10, 9:13 pm, Brian Conrad <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> This whole area of taxes for online purchases is rather gray. I also >>>>>>> sell products using Digital River with their SWReg service. They take >>>>>>> care of all tax issues and have the software in place for it. With >>>>>>> Digital River taxes are only charged in states where they have offices >>>>>>> or states that have passed tax laws for online purchases. They may >>>>>>> >>>> also >>>> >>>>>>> charge VAT taxes for countries that are applicable. The developer >>>>>>> doesn't have to worry about it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Google not being as mature a company as Digital River must not be up >>>>>>> >>>> to >>>> >>>>>>> building such an infrastructure. Either that or a lazy legal counsel >>>>>>> who thinks they should just dump the issue on developers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brian Conrad >>>>>>> JyotishTools.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Arron wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> WOW the more I read, I am getting disheartened by Google's approach. >>>>>>>> Apparently developers have to handle ALL SALES tax on their own. >>>>>>>> Seriously can they make a life of a developer harder? Apple's >>>>>>>> AppStore handles all taxes for you and Google Android Market does >>>>>>>> not? Are you serious? A small developer like me can really figure >>>>>>>> >>>> out >>>> >>>>>>>> what to do with sales taxes for US and other countries in the world? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sometimes Google's approaches make them seem so immature compared to >>>>>>>> other companies. Do they even know what they are doing? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At this point, I am unsure what to do at all. I have tons of sales >>>>>>>> sold without any taxes imposed onto the buyer. How do I report this >>>>>>>> back to the tax agencies? I might have to go to the route of hiring >>>>>>>> >>>> a >>>> >>>>>>>> tax consultant just to deal with this and Google thinks developers >>>>>>>> will flock to Google to do this type of BS? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> What is Google thinking?! Please tell me I am totally wrong on this. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 5:19 pm, Arron <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have been selling my application on the Android Market for over a >>>>>>>>> period of 6 months. I wasn't aware of all the tax issues that I >>>>>>>>> >>>> have >>>> >>>>>>>>> recently been reading about. >>>>>>>>> I have read various threads about seller taxes and now I am deeply >>>>>>>>> confused on what to do. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1) I do not see any developers charging sales tax at all for their >>>>>>>>> applications >>>>>>>>> 2) Do I need to charge sales tax? >>>>>>>>> 3) Is there a chart anywhere to tell me what sales tax I should >>>>>>>>> >>>> input? >>>> >>>>>>>>> 4) Once I input the sales tax and the buyer gets charged, does it >>>>>>>>> automatically go to the US government? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sorry I am a complete noob on this and Google is definitely making >>>>>>>>> >>>> it >>>> >>>>>>>>> difficult to understand. I do not want to get into any issues with >>>>>>>>> taxes. Any tax genius out there that has any ideas on what to do? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> >>>> Groups "Android Discuss" group. >>>> >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>> >>>> [email protected]. >>>> >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> >>>> [email protected]<android-discuss%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group athttp:// >>>>>>>> >>>> groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=. >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> >>>> Groups "Android Discuss" group. >>>> >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> >>>> [email protected]<android-discuss%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> >>>>>> For more options, visit this group athttp:// >>>>>> >>>> groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Android Discuss" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> [email protected]<android-discuss%[email protected]> >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=. >>>> >>> As a customer (I have not yet published anything on the Market) this indeed >>> is confusing : >>> For some apps (ex PicSay Pro), displayed price (in €, ok for me since I am >>> in france) in applications list (and app detail) does not include VAT, but >>> then in Market's Google Checkout page (buying confirmation), the VAT is >>> added. (there are both base price and additional VAT amount shown). >>> -> this means that in app list you can't really compare since shown price is >>> "VAT excluded", so real price may differ depending on the app. >>> And I presume that depending of how the seller published its app >>> (by specifying taxes or not ?), for some it is "VAT included" (??). >>> Anyway for some apps I will discover at buy time only that I have to pay >>> more, and for others, no.... >>> >>> Another similar problem (but not directly due to these taxes), I am also >>> charged additional taxes on my VISA Card when buying apps not in € (1€ tax >>> for each app, + some percentage of the price !) . Big problem is that at buy >>> time there is not any indication this may happen. I had the surprise the >>> next month on my Bank bill ! >>> Oh.... and with the same VISA card, using Paypal I do not have this problem >>> since Paypal does the currency conversion itself, and charges my card in € . >>> >>> Result is I do not buy anymore apps that are not charged in €, and in >>> general I am more reluctant for buying anything from the Market.... >>> > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Android Discuss" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/android-discuss?hl=. > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Android Discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. 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