At this point I am unsure what to do. I think after this application, all my future applications will just be ad-based. This is just too complicated to deal with.
On Nov 11, 9:38 am, Brian Conrad <[email protected]> wrote: > I get a feeling the Market team was not allowed to look at Handago or > other esellers or the Market would have been set up differently. > > - Brian > > > > RichardC wrote: > > IANAL > > > There are 2 sorts of taxes we need to concider "sales tax" and "local > > income or corporate tax". Taking "sales tax" first: > > > Because the "sales tax" laws are so complicated especially with > > international transactions I do expect a market site (Google Market) > > to provide this for me as part of the percentage fee they charge. > > This includes tracking and changing the taxes applied (to each sale) > > as relevant tax laws in each country change. It is impossible for > > small developers to investigate and implement all the local sales > > taxes especially as there is still disagreement (especially with > > internet transactions) regarding which country (or even state in the > > US) the point-of-sale takes place in. > > > "Local income or corporate taxes" are another matter and should NOT be > > processed by the market provider. > > > Have a look Handango for an example of this being done better. > > > In addition I have two thoughts about selling in the EU market (if I > > am correct IANAL) : > > 1. In the EU it is not legal to display prices (to end-users) that do > > not include all taxes and delivery charges. That is the prices should > > not change beteen the listing screen and the final purchase screen. > > 2. Who is the customers (end-user) relationship with (a) Google or (b) > > the Developer. I believe it is Google which puts the onus on Google > > to display the "correct" and final price. > > > In summary I am disappointed in the approach Google is taking at the > > moment and I am hoping that they will do better in the future. > > > IANAL > > > -- > > RichardC > > > On Nov 11, 11:48 am, niko20 <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> IF you look at the original posting, he says "how does the money get > >> to the US government", so he WAS talking more about federal taxes. For > >> us in the US, that's just a Schedule C form that you fill out. Also, I > >> agree tax law for online purchases really is a not-well-defined area > >> yet - such as state taxes. Each state has their own laws about it. > > >> For those in other countries, just do some research on tax laws in > >> your country. > > >> It basically comes down to this - do some research. When it's stuff > >> that is law, like taxes, the info will usually be out there on the web > >> on a government website, etc. > > >> -niko > > >> On Nov 11, 2:57 am, C�dric Berger <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 05:49, Arron <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> Sales tax is usually imposed onto the buyer so by not collecting these > >>>> up front, developers are now charged for this amount. Inside Google > >>>> Checkout, they have an area where you can specify sales taxes but I > >>>> have to manually input all the percents. Maintaining the right sale > >>>> tax %, informing buyers about this (since they will freak out), and > >>>> separating this out from your normal income will be a big HASSLE. > >>>> Additionally Google Checkout in general offers the poorest reporting > >>>> features I have seen from any of the other competitors. > > >>>> Companies pay heavy money for accounting firms to do this for them. > >>>> As a developer, I have to take care of all of this?? I am unsure of > >>>> what to do and will probably do it wrong. And considering that I did > >>>> not impose any sales taxes to my buyers so far, I will need to pay all > >>>> of that out of my own pocket. > > >>>> Apple calculates ALL of this for you and is included in their 30% > >>>> cut... > > >>>> Android Market is terrible and Google/Android in general has no idea > >>>> what the heck they are doing. I wonder if they even thought this out > >>>> correctly at all. > > >>>> On Nov 10, 8:22 pm, Brian Conrad <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>> I'm not a tax attorney either and yes having been a contract programmer > >>>>> for years I know the form C and 1099 stuff. But the Google clause is > >>>>> about the developers collecting sales tax. I'm not sure that is even > >>>>> legal. It would be like asking Kraft Foods to collect sales tax for > >>>>> their products sold at Safeway. If Google is going to operate a market > >>>>> I believe under the law they are liable for collecting the taxes not the > >>>>> vendors. But I'll be looking some more at the agreement tomorrow. > > >>>>> - Brian > > >>>>> niko20 wrote: > > >>>>>> Hi, > > >>>>>> I'm no tax lawyer, but in the past years I've done contract jobs on > >>>>>> rentacoder.com, they don't do any tax stuff either, but at the end of > >>>>>> the year you get a 1099 form. I'm assuming Google may send us one of > >>>>>> those. If not, you can report your income anyway in the U.S. on a > >>>>>> Schedule C form. It's not really that hard. It's called self > >>>>>> employment tax. > > >>>>>> The big benefit is you can deduct anything that is a business related > >>>>>> expense before applying the tax. Last year you could deduct up to > >>>>>> about $5000 without having to itemize the deductions. > > >>>>>> Just check out the irs.gov website, it explains everything pretty > >>>>>> well. > > >>>>>> -niko > > >>>>>> On Nov 10, 9:13 pm, Brian Conrad <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>> This whole area of taxes for online purchases is rather gray. I also > >>>>>>> sell products using Digital River with their SWReg service. They take > >>>>>>> care of all tax issues and have the software in place for it. With > >>>>>>> Digital River taxes are only charged in states where they have offices > >>>>>>> or states that have passed tax laws for online purchases. They may > > >>>> also > > >>>>>>> charge VAT taxes for countries that are applicable. The developer > >>>>>>> doesn't have to worry about it. > > >>>>>>> Google not being as mature a company as Digital River must not be up > > >>>> to > > >>>>>>> building such an infrastructure. Either that or a lazy legal counsel > >>>>>>> who thinks they should just dump the issue on developers. > > >>>>>>> Brian Conrad > >>>>>>> JyotishTools.com > > >>>>>>> Arron wrote: > > >>>>>>>> WOW the more I read, I am getting disheartened by Google's approach. > >>>>>>>> Apparently developers have to handle ALL SALES tax on their own. > >>>>>>>> Seriously can they make a life of a developer harder? Apple's > >>>>>>>> AppStore handles all taxes for you and Google Android Market does > >>>>>>>> not? Are you serious? A small developer like me can really figure > > >>>> out > > >>>>>>>> what to do with sales taxes for US and other countries in the world? > > >>>>>>>> Sometimes Google's approaches make them seem so immature compared to > >>>>>>>> other companies. Do they even know what they are doing? > > >>>>>>>> At this point, I am unsure what to do at all. I have tons of sales > >>>>>>>> sold without any taxes imposed onto the buyer. How do I report this > >>>>>>>> back to the tax agencies? I might have to go to the route of hiring > > >>>> a > > >>>>>>>> tax consultant just to deal with this and Google thinks developers > >>>>>>>> will flock to Google to do this type of BS? > > >>>>>>>> What is Google thinking?! Please tell me I am totally wrong on this. > > >>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 5:19 pm, Arron <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>>>>>>> I have been selling my application on the Android Market for over a > >>>>>>>>> period of 6 months. I wasn't aware of all the tax issues that I > > >>>> have > > >>>>>>>>> recently been reading about. > >>>>>>>>> I have read various threads about seller taxes and now I am deeply > >>>>>>>>> confused on what to do. > > >>>>>>>>> 1) I do not see any developers charging sales tax at all for their > >>>>>>>>> applications > >>>>>>>>> 2) Do I need to charge sales tax? > >>>>>>>>> 3) Is there a chart anywhere to tell me what sales tax I should > > >>>> input? > > >>>>>>>>> 4) Once I input the sales tax and the buyer gets charged, does it > >>>>>>>>> automatically go to the US government? > > >>>>>>>>> Sorry I am a complete noob on this and Google is definitely making > > >>>> it > > >>>>>>>>> difficult to understand. I do not want to get into any issues with > >>>>>>>>> taxes. 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