Hi Brian, hi Alex, hi Toerless
+1, I am also all for what you are writing there. I agree that it could be presented at DAWN or agent2agent lists/meetings. However, maybe slightly differently from Brian, I think that most of the current efforts somehow concentrate on discovery of agents, yet I tend to see a bigger issue elsewhere. I do not mind discovery, but, a bit like Toerless, I fail to see what is so new about it, agents or not. The document below essentially says: go away with the SDN controller and put an LLM on top, which will auto-program the network from the high-level intents expressed by the owner. For this to work, the ACP, BRSKI and GRASP serve as the required and potentially sufficient foundation. Personally, I agree with this vision, I would have loved that to happen way earlier, but somehow community lost interest in that... Now, the whole story about agents jump-starts the next chapter of the same story. Some remarks: - maybe instead of "heuristic" we should talk about probabilistic behaviour? As per its definition, a heuristic is an approach to problem solving, which might not be optimal or rationalized yet good enough [cmp. Wikipedia]. I am not sure LLM's answers are, in that sense, good enough, as they often turn out to be awfully wrong at times. That's the reason we can't work with that in critical systems (yet?). - if we are serious about ACP/GRASP/BRSKI as foundation, we would need to show that, even in spite of potential misjudgments by LLM or programming errors done by it, ACP would always remain "the last Mohican": ACP should be the last to fail, i.e. in presence of a potentially unverified programs produced at will by the LLM/foundation model, the ACP must act like an implementation of a protected mode in an OS, like an OS kernel if you will, preserving the possibility to repair/remove/terminate misbehaving programs. Such that we can have a bunch of simple yet reliable tools on top of ACP to clean away any nonsense introduced by LLM/foundation models, and, also very important, to be able to isolate the effects of such programs by separating concerns and enforcing "control app manifests" in a distributed system. Regards Artur -----Original Message----- From: Brian E Carpenter <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 6, 2026 3:50 AM To: [email protected]; Anima WG <[email protected]> Subject: [Anima] Re: I-D Action: draft-eckert-anima-ai4an-00.txt Hi, I'm all for what you are saying in this draft, but I think you also have to address it to the DAWN people and everybody working on agentic communications. Look at draft-he-dawn-ipv6-agent-aware-framework, for example; it has very little to do with IPv6. Maybe you should ask for a slot at the DAWN BOF? (DAWN = Discovery of Agents, Workloads, and Named Entities.) At least point out that ANIMA/GRASP has been working on discovery of agents since the dawn of time (pun intended). Also, the trust boundary issue we just discussed re draft-soulard-anima-grasp-router-problem-statement is going to be relevant. I see a clear clash between the type of trust boundary that BRSKI provides and how the agentic community is looking at trust. Nit: s/autonomous/autonomic/ globally (We chose "autonomic" at the beginning of ANIMA, by analogy with the autonomic nervous system, so I think we need to be consistent.) Regards/Ngā mihi Brian On 06-Jul-26 11:28, [email protected] wrote: > Internet-Draft draft-eckert-anima-ai4an-00.txt is now available. > > Title: AI for Autonomous Networking > Authors: Toerless Eckert > Alexander Clemm > Name: draft-eckert-anima-ai4an-00.txt > Pages: 17 > Dates: 2026-07-05 > > Abstract: > > This document builds on the architectural foundation of the IETF > ANIMA "Autonomous Network Infrastructure" to propose an architecture > for in-network intelligence in support of network automation. > > The key aspect of this architecture is the use of AI programmed and > validated software running decentralized on the network. > > The IETF datatracker status page for this Internet-Draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eckert-anima-ai4an/ > > There is also an HTMLized version available at: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-eckert-anima-ai4an-00 > > Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at: > rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts > > > _______________________________________________ > I-D-Announce mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send > an email to [email protected] _______________________________________________ Anima mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] _______________________________________________ Anima mailing list -- [email protected] To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
