Hi Artur,
On 08.07.26 at 15:22 Artur Hecker wrote:
- if we are serious about ACP/GRASP/BRSKI as foundation, we would need to show that, even in spite
of potential misjudgments by LLM or programming errors done by it, ACP would always remain
"the last Mohican": ACP should be the last to fail, i.e. in presence of a potentially
unverified programs produced at will by the LLM/foundation model, the ACP must act like an
implementation of a protected mode in an OS, like an OS kernel if you will, preserving the
possibility to repair/remove/terminate misbehaving programs. Such that we can have a bunch of
simple yet reliable tools on top of ACP to clean away any nonsense introduced by LLM/foundation
models, and, also very important, to be able to isolate the effects of such programs by separating
concerns and enforcing "control app manifests" in a distributed system.
+1
That is quite along the lines what I wrote up here:
https://labs.ripe.net/author/roland-bless/how-to-never-lose-control-over-your-network/
However, ACP should actually not fail unless the underlay connectivity
isn't available anymore...
Regards,
Roland
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian E Carpenter <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2026 3:50 AM
To: [email protected]; Anima WG <[email protected]>
Subject: [Anima] Re: I-D Action: draft-eckert-anima-ai4an-00.txt
Hi,
I'm all for what you are saying in this draft, but I think you also have to
address it to the DAWN people and everybody working on agentic communications.
Look at draft-he-dawn-ipv6-agent-aware-framework, for example; it has very
little to do with IPv6. Maybe you should ask for a slot at the DAWN BOF? (DAWN
= Discovery of Agents, Workloads, and Named Entities.) At least point out that
ANIMA/GRASP has been working on discovery of agents since the dawn of time (pun
intended).
Also, the trust boundary issue we just discussed re
draft-soulard-anima-grasp-router-problem-statement is going to be relevant. I
see a clear clash between the type of trust boundary that BRSKI provides and
how the agentic community is looking at trust.
Nit: s/autonomous/autonomic/ globally
(We chose "autonomic" at the beginning of ANIMA, by analogy with the autonomic
nervous system, so I think we need to be consistent.)
Regards/Ngā mihi
Brian
On 06-Jul-26 11:28, [email protected] wrote:
Internet-Draft draft-eckert-anima-ai4an-00.txt is now available.
Title: AI for Autonomous Networking
Authors: Toerless Eckert
Alexander Clemm
Name: draft-eckert-anima-ai4an-00.txt
Pages: 17
Dates: 2026-07-05
Abstract:
This document builds on the architectural foundation of the IETF
ANIMA "Autonomous Network Infrastructure" to propose an architecture
for in-network intelligence in support of network automation.
The key aspect of this architecture is the use of AI programmed and
validated software running decentralized on the network.
The IETF datatracker status page for this Internet-Draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eckert-anima-ai4an/
There is also an HTMLized version available at:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-eckert-anima-ai4an-00
Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at:
rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts
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