On Sunday, September 3, 2006 16:58, John Buckman said: > 2) there is lots of good competition - everything from Ruby, Python > and Zope to LightHttpd is in the same kind of mind space -- > alternatives to Apache that have cool ideas in them. Well, half of those actually run inside Apache, they are not really an alternative to it.
> 3) the name is a small problem -- I have to explain it to people, but I agree. Most people around me respect my knowledge and experience when it comes to web applications, yet I still have a very hard time to convince them this is good technology; let alone convincing them to use it themselves... > 4) tcl is more of a problem, people just don't want to learn a language. I don't agree with this one, though! People learn new languages all the time to use new technology; PHP and Ruby are good examples, very few people learn these for any other reason than to create web apps. If they hear about some cool new framework and get interested in it, they will pick it up. I know Tcl isn't "cool", but we all know it is far superior to PHP's mess of 100 different commands that behave every so slightly different to achieve pretty much the same task. It was my first language and I still believe it is the best language fo any beginner. We should promote Tcl hard. > 6) pick on apache's weak spots, most specifically, languages that are > cool but run very slowly in apache. Ruby is what comes to mind -- Not sure about running a "negative" campaign, so it has to be very subtle. That said, there is nothing wrong with pointing out (with proof in benchmarks!) that the same task in AOLserver Tcl runs rings around anything in PHP. As a joke about LAMP: "Linux, Aolserver, My own damn code & Postgres!" ;-) What about the website? I *really* think we should move this to AOLserver; we have to practice what we preach! Maybe just go with OpenACS? Any experts on that who would want to be technical lead on that? If hosting is a problem (I hope not at AOL!) I am perfectly willing to host it. I share an underutilzed fast box on an even faster internet connection in Telehouse in London and we'd have no problems with select members of this community having logins to it. Bas. -- AOLserver - http://www.aolserver.com/ To Remove yourself from this list, simply send an email to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> with the body of "SIGNOFF AOLSERVER" in the email message. You can leave the Subject: field of your email blank.
