Per Tunedal <[email protected]>
writes:
> Hi,
> I've just began to study Norwegian and have two questions about
> pronouns:
>
> 1) Personal pronoun, 3:rd person, masculinum
>
> Both bokmål (nb) and nynorsk (nn) accepts that the subject form is used
> as object form: han - han (instead of han - ham/honom). Does the nn-nb
> module take this into account?
$ echo han ham |lt-proc -we nb-nn.automorf.bin
^han/han<prn><p3><m><sg><nom>/han<prn><p3><m><sg><acc>$
^ham/ham<n><m><sg><ind>/han<prn><p3><m><sg><acc>$
ie. the Bokmål "han" is ambiguous between subject/object, "ham" is
always object (unless it's the noun meaning animal skin/fur).
For nynorsk, only "han" is used for both ('honom' I think would be
considered fairly archaic in Nynorsk).
$ echo Jeg så han|apertium nb-nn
Eg såg han
$ echo Eg såg han|apertium nn-nb
Jeg så ham
The ambiguity in the below example is resolved by the CG.
> BTW Swedish has the same practise in dialects and among many young
> people. But, not in writing, as far as I know. Oh, actually I can see it
> this very day in my morning paper right in front of me! I'm shocked!
>
> 2) Person pronouns, subject form and object form
>
> I have noticed that this is treated differently in the pairs sv-da
> compared to nb-nn and is-sv. In sv-da the personal pronouns in subject
> form are repeated in the bilingual dictionary with a tag for subject and
> object, respectively. In the others
>
> Why this difference? And what are the implications? Is there a standard
> way in Apertium?
I don't think it matters much in this case. If the input to bidix is
^foo<a><b><c>$
then output of bidix will be
^bar<a><b><c>$
whether bidix contains
<e><p><l>foo<s n="a"/><s n="b"/></l><r>bar<s n="a"/><s n="b"/></r></p></e>
or
<e><p><l>foo<s n="a"/><s n="b"/><s n="c"/></l><r>bar<s n="a"/><s n="b"/><s
n="c"/></r></p></e>
That is, the longest match in bidix is chosen, and if it doesn't _fully_
match, any other tags are simply carried over unchanged.
The fact that nb-nn uses nom/acc where sv-da uses subj/obj is
unfortunate, but not really a problem, simply do
<e><p><l>foo<s n="a"/><s n="b"/><s n="subj"/></l><r>bar<s n="a"/><s n="b"/><s
n="nom"/></r></p></e>
<e><p><l>foo<s n="a"/><s n="b"/><s n="obj"/></l><r>bar<s n="a"/><s n="b"/><s
n="acc"/></r></p></e>
in sv-no.dix
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Kevin Brubeck Unhammer
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