Hi Aftab: I think you simply didn't get what we are saying here.
And you are demonstrating my point just like Rob did. Nobody is arguing "we need an intervention from a saviour from outside" We are simply saying distinguishing people by their race, ethnic, or location, will create division on the internet just like you exactly demonstrated.(we 4.5 B people etc) We are all humans, and we welcome whoever willing and capable to serve the best interest of APNIC members to be the EC, and we don't care if he is a dog as long as he is an intelligent being that does the job well. And for your folks not so familiar with AFRINIC history, one of the biggest reasons why AFRINIC is in today's states is because it's bylaw embedded a regional division, which fueled nationalism and corruption, and ultimately, failure. I just hope APNIC will repeat such mistakes. embrace membership and trust membership, putting limitation in the EC election process simply makes no sense, APNIC are not government, if someone able to get 80% of member support, they can simply start another APNIC if they were not able to be elected to the EC and disregard APNIC completely, the cooperation to RIR registration database is voluntary, RIR does not have power. I hope EC will listen to those lines when they make their final proposal. On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 at 21:55, Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddi...@gmail.com> wrote: > So let me repeat..Approx 4.5 Billion Population (more than half of the > world population), 56 economies are 2 big enough reasons to end this > discussion but let's proceed, though no one mentioned race or ethnicity but > you brought that up so let me tell you It's almost impossible to provide an > exact number due to the fluid nature of ethnic identities keeping in mind > the vastness and complexity of the region. But, the number will be in the > thousands so as the languages these people speak. I'm not sure how much > more diversity is required to find the right candidate to lead a registry. > > I agree that it's valuable to have diverse perspectives in leadership, but > let's not underestimate the incredible talents and potential that already > exist within the region, the region which is so huge that it may take more > than 15hrs non-stop flight to fly from one end to another. Embracing local > leadership doesn't mean we're closing doors to the world, it means we're > just recognizing and nurturing the expertise that's right here in our > backyard which is again half of the world. Anyone interested to support and > help this region and community can by all means come and collaborate with > us. If we can't find 7 honest, talented and committed leaders from our > region to lead the registry (yes, APNIC is just a registry and not solving > world hunger or poverty issues) then I guess we have bigger problems to > solve than discussing these petty issues. > > This is kind of "we need an intervention from a saviour from outside" > ideology, because clearly, the region is just a barren wasteland devoid of > any capable leaders to strategically guide a "REGISTRY". But hey, who needs > a goldmine of potential when we can just keep looking elsewhere, right? May > be let's just move on from this point otherwise it's just a monologue to > the void. It's almost like practicing your speech to an imaginary audience. > Who knows, maybe the void will surprise you with a standing ovation one day. > > Have a nice weekend. > > Regards, > > Aftab A. Siddiqui > > > On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 at 16:22, Lu Heng <h...@anytimechinese.com> wrote: > >> Hi Aftab and Chris: >> >> Just listen to what your guys are saying here, the exact same argument in >> the past hundreds years fuels nationalism, separationism, and ultimately, >> wars. >> >> We (followed by a geographic region or ethnic group) are (better, >> capable, talented) compared to (rest of the world, other nations, etc). >> >> And this is exactly what me and my colleagues are fighting for here. >> >> A internet that is for all, should disregard race, ethnic, certainly >> locations of individuals, it was a mistake to have 5 RIR instead of one, it >> was mistake to concentrate all the powers to single individual for past 25 >> years, it was mistake to even start distinguish difference in race, ethnic, >> or location on the internet governance matters. >> >> We are all intelligent beings on internet, where you from, what race are >> you, where do you live, does not matter to serve in internet governance >> organization, APNIC is not a government, it should merely being a technical >> solution provider, and as a technical solution provider, it really does not >> matter where you come from. >> >> It's a principle so vital to the future of the internet, we must protect >> it not abandon it. >> >> >> >> On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 at 14:07, Christopher Hawker <ch...@thesysadmin.dev> >> wrote: >> >>> Aftab, I could not have said it better myself. This I believe can be >>> attributed to the sheer amount of individuals who have committed decades to >>> the development of the internet as we know it today, and not only >>> demonstrated to the APNIC region but to the world, the value that some of >>> these people bring to the EC. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Christopher H. >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Aftab Siddiqui <aftab.siddi...@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Friday, August 11, 2023 9:12 AM >>> *To:* m.ch...@larus.net <m.ch...@larus.net> >>> *Cc:* Christopher Hawker <ch...@thesysadmin.dev>; apnic-talk < >>> apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net> >>> *Subject:* Re: [apnic-talk] Re: Feedback on APNIC proposed By-law >>> reforms >>> >>> Hi Melvin, >>> >>> On Fri, 11 Aug 2023 at 07:00, Melvin Cheng >>> <m.ch...@innovationservice.help> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Christopher, >>> >>> Thank you for your detailed and thoughtful response to my viewpoint on >>> APNIC's proposed bylaw reforms. I appreciate the chance to engage in this >>> conversation and to clarify my opinions further. >>> >>> I understand your perspective on restricting EC memberships to active >>> participants within the service region. While I respect your view, I >>> continue to believe that a globally diverse EC could enrich APNIC's >>> governance with varied perspectives and expertise, benefiting the entire >>> community. It's crucial to acknowledge and embrace the potential of >>> meritocracy from talents worldwide, beyond solely considering candidates >>> within the APNIC service region. >>> >>> >>> Talking about meritocracy, more than half of the world population lives >>> in the APNIC service region, its staggering to know that the "big >>> population, small talent pool' myth is still prevalent in this day and >>> age!!! It's quite a feat to generalize an entire region's potential based >>> on a narrow viewpoint, without any basis or data point. But, it's your >>> viewpoint and you can keep believing that Asia Pacific can't find a good >>> candidate for leadership meanwhile, the rest of us will continue to be >>> amazed by the incredible talents and diverse expertise that this vibrant >>> region consistently produces. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Aftab A. Siddiqui >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> APNIC-talk - https://mailman.apnic.net/apnic-talk@lists.apnic.net/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to apnic-talk-le...@lists.apnic.net >>> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Kind regards. >> Lu >> >> -- -- Kind regards. Lu
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