I recall that too.  The problem was, all those early-picked apples reached 
consumers who
were disappointed because they expected a mature apple and they got cardboard.  
In New
England, Alar caused the Mcntosh harvest to begin a week earlier than before.  


--- Philip Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I seem to recall being able to pick apples later rather than sooner when 
> using Alar.
> 
> Philip Smith
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Arthur Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Apple-Crop" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 3:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Referral needed - orchards and sheep
> 
> 
> > Alar retarded internal maturity, while not retarding color formation.  It 
> > therefore
> > increased storage life and allowed apples to be picked sooner.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Philip Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> Actually, I always thought Alar allowed us to present a better product to
> >> the consumer for a longer period.  I can't figure out how it could have
> >> resulted in "cardboard".  I don't think it led us to harvest immature 
> >> fruit.
> >> My experience is not as a direct marketer, so perhaps my point of 
> >> reference
> >> makes a difference.
> >>
> >> Philip Smith
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Arthur Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "Apple-Crop" <[email protected]>
> >> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 8:18 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Referral needed - orchards and sheep
> >>
> >>
> >> >A lot depends on whether you think as a consumer or producer.  Of course
> >> >the producers
> >> > loved Alar because it gave apples that looked ripe but stored longer. 
> >> > The
> >> > consumers
> >> > expected a ripe apple but got cardboard.  This led to increased demand 
> >> > for
> >> > Grannies from
> >> > elsewhere.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- Philip Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> That doesn't sound like the Alar that I knew and loved.
> >> >>
> >> >> Philip Smith
> >> >>
> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> >> From: "Arthur Harvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> >> To: "Apple-Crop" <[email protected]>
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:01 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: Referral needed - orchards and sheep
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > You are certainly correct about what happens in Washington, as a 
> >> >> > rule.
> >> >> > But my opinion is
> >> >> > that banning Alar was a benefit to the industry, for it stopped the
> >> >> > sale
> >> >> > of immature,
> >> >> > inferior apples to the public.  Maybe that was not the intent, but 
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > was
> >> >> > the result.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --- "George M. Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Hi All:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>Dr. David Acheson, FDA's new Assistant
> >> >> >> >>Commissioner for Food Protection may well be
> >> >> >> >>"both a very intelligent medical professional
> >> >> >> >>and a practical
> >> >> >> >realist" BUT practical realists and good
> >> >> >> >scientists don't always carry the day in DC.  If
> >> >> >> >there is 1 or more outbreaks of E.coli 0157:H7
> >> >> >> >tragedies Dr. Acheson probably not be able to
> >> >> >> >convince others that onerous rules are not
> >> >> >> >needed.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >The impact of a couple testifying about the
> >> >> >> >death of a beautiful 3 or 4 year-old young girl
> >> >> >> >will be impossible for agriculture to counter.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Don't forget the big A--- deal a few years ago.
> >> >> >> >Reason does not always prevail!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Best regards, George
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> George M. Greene II
> >> >> >> 68 Willow Lane
> >> >> >> Wiscasset, ME 04578
> >> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> >> 207-882-8074
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
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> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On another topic, the federal law governing organic foods was 
> >> >> > recently
> >> >> > amended by lobbyists hired by some manufacturers.  This will allow
> >> >> > synthetic ingredients to be added to organic-labeled foods.
> >> >> > If this is important to you, please visit my website,
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> >> > On another topic, the federal law governing organic foods was recently
> >> > amended by lobbyists hired by some manufacturers.  This will allow
> >> > synthetic ingredients to be added to organic-labeled foods.
> >> > If this is important to you, please visit my website,
> >> > www.RestoreOrganicLaw.org
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On another topic, the federal law governing organic foods was recently amended 
by lobbyists hired by some manufacturers.  This will allow synthetic 
ingredients to be added to organic-labeled foods.
If this is important to you, please visit my website, www.RestoreOrganicLaw.org


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