Another relatively sobering book on that topic is called the Long Emergency by 
J.H. Knustler, which details our dependence upon fossil fuels and the state of 
emergency that will (may?) ensue following the eventual consumption of world 
oil supplies past the point of peak oil.  A couple factoids from that book 
remain with me, including the high number of fuel calories needed to put a 
calorie of food (grain, fruit, vegetable, meat) in our bellies.  I can only 
assume that if/when shortages become real, the relative proportion of available 
oil resources will need to be redirected toward food - and that the efficiency 
of farming and marketing systems on a per calorie in versus a calorie out will 
need to be optimized.  It occurs to me that this is an area where farmers and 
industry will likely lead the way as they will be on the front lines of change. 
  The book Sustainable Energy (Without all the Hot Air) by  physicist David 
McKay helps frame the eventual decline in oil availability by explicitly 
describing what our long term options are for alternative energy (using the UK 
as a model) based on current science.  That's a pretty grim book as well in 
some regards, but both authors depict a sea change in human activity in the 
near future. 

Randy Beaudry


On Jul 27, 2010, at 8:49 AM, robert wrote:

> A couple of years ago,  I read a book called "The Party's Over"  which makes 
> the case that we are fast approaching peak oil and that there is no 
> alternative that will ever be as cheap and plentiful.  He quoted some expert 
> who said that organic agriculture can only support 2 billion people on earth 
> and that the human race in the last century had experienced the equivilant of 
> an algae bloom with our use of cheap energy from petroleum in heating, 
> transportation and (most importantly) agriculture. It may or may not be true 
> but  it seems to me that this is what we have been talking about in the 
> previous discussion.  It is food for thought.
> 
> Robert Justman
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