While Robert Kuljis worries about the influence of giant companies,
others,
including myself, worry about the influence of left-leaning
foundations
funneling money to university departments (e.g. C.S. Mott Foundation).
Further, and perhaps more important, is the political/environmental
viewpoint of many of the current staff at most hort departments.
The fact
that most growers are conservative and the universities/staff/
extension
personnel that provide services/information to growers tend to be
much more
sympathetic to "organic" or environmentalists is very curious.
Mark Evans
Michigan
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From: [email protected] [mailto:apple-
[email protected]]
On Behalf Of frecon
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2010 11:02 PM
To: 'Apple-Crop'
Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: RE:..and causes you to be fat too!
Dear Mr. Kuljis:
Everything in the real, physical, material world is made of
chemicals; There are no non-chemical methods. Everything an
organic grower
might use is made of chemicals. Water, air, soil are all made up of
chemicals. Check out the periodic table of chemical elements.
I am not sure what you are saying about university funding by
chemical companies. At Rutgers which is the state land grant
university in
New Jersey less that 4.7% of our funding comes from contributions
and non
governmental grants.
For the 41 years I have been associated with the land grant
university system as a grower, teacher, nurserymen and extension
worker. I
have always been grateful for the objective, non biased, science based
information that has been produced and published. The day seems to be
rapidly approaching when this system of outreach research and
education will
disappear because of insufficient funding.
Jerry Frecon,
Rutgers University
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From: [email protected] [mailto:apple-
[email protected]]
On Behalf Of Robert kuljis
Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2010 2:50 PM
To: Apple-Crop
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: RE:..and causes you to be fat too!
I think that is a good point about the kaolin,,, I know the non ag
formulations for pottery have all kinds of warnings for cancer,
inhalation threat, etc.. A simple particle mask would probably take
care of most of it. Not that it is that much fun to wear a mask all
the time while working in the trees. Of course there are lots of
unknowns with chemicals as well. The problem we have is that the
chemicals are extremely lucrative for giant companies who control
much of the university funding, so much less research and development
goes into non chemical methods. These methods could be much much
cheaper.
Considering that conventional ag is responsible for at least 40% of
greenhouse gas emissions, mostly due to petroleum based fertilizer,
conversion to an ecological organic ag system seems to be not only
healthier, but a prerequisite for survival at this stage..
Some things that can help with the application of either organic or
chem materials would be monitoring, understanding the disease/pest
life cycle,, implementing and enhancing biological controls. These
have come a long way, but the scale of the efforts is much higher on
the end of the paradigm that wants growers to keep putting out
chemicals whose ultimate cost is much more then the $ amount paid.
Robert Kuljis
Thomas Paine Farms
On Jul 24, 2010, at 5:48 AM, Bill Shoemaker wrote:
I recently heard life is terminal. I think someone should do
something about that. Who's in charge here!
Bill
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Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 18:31:11 -0400
From: Ken Hall <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: RE:..and causes you to be fat too!
To: [email protected]
Is anyone familiar with work on human exposure to
kaolin clay in an orchard setting? A pulmonary
disease referred to as "kaolinosis" has been
identified in people who had high exposure to clay
dust. What about lower levels of exposure, year
after year, to orchard workers or pick-your-own
apple customers?
Not sure we can even say that kaolin is beyond
suspicion.
Ken Hall
Edwards Apple Orchard, Inc.
7061 Centerville Road
Poplar Grove, IL 61065
Ph: 815-765-2234
Fx: 815-765-1072
Cl: 815-520-5764
Email: [email protected]
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From: Fleming, William <[email protected]>
To: Apple-Crop <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Jul 23, 2010 4:31 pm
Subject: RE: Apple-Crop: RE:..and causes you to be
fat too!
I wouldn't say organic pesticides more toxic to
the environment but the fact that most are so broad
spectrum that they kill beneficials as well as
pests. That makes them unecological. as compared to
many of the modern pesticides that are very specific
in their targets. Plus many times when you kill the
beneficials you cause a whole new set of problems
that have to be addressed. You end up having to
spray even more.
Just the fact that organic pesticides are short
lived also makes them unecological in increased fuel
usage when several sprays may be needed to take the
place of one conventional material.
Bill Fleming
Montana State University
Western Ag Research Center
580 Quast Ln
Corvallis, Montana
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From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Robert kuljis
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 10:46 AM
To: Apple-Crop
Subject: Re: Apple-Crop: RE:...and causes you to be
fat too!
I agree to buy local , but how can you say that
organic pesticides are more toxic to the
enviornment? Lets see, kaolin clay, entrust(soil
organism), pyrethreum(breaks down VERY fast, as
opposed to synthetic version which last longer).
How are these more toxic then man made chemicals
which do not break down? they break down into
compounds that still have no analog in nature..
On Jul 23, 2010, at 8:18 AM, <[email protected]>
wrote:
It is more important to know where your food is
grown! We have seen salmonella from melons and
scallions from Mexico and Asia. The USA has the Food
& Drug Administration that tightly regulates
pesticides and their application. Foreign foods do
not! Some pesticides are not applied to the food at
all but on small plastic tabs that are clipped on
branches to act as a deterrent to the bug. Organic
food growers use pesticides also, just more often
because the product does not last as long. Many
organic pesticides are more toxic to the environment
than the standard commercial grower uses. I know
because I am a commercial grower of apples.
Pesticides in the run off stream water from the home
gardener is one of the biggest offenders of
pollution. Consumers should use common sense and
wash everything raw before eating it. don't deprive
children of good nutrition because of a sensational
hit article that may be designed to garner
contributions to their non-profit cause. We grow
the safest food in the world. Support your local
farmer's market and buy American!
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To: [email protected]
From: [email protected]
Subject: Apple-Crop: ...and causes you to be fat
too!
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:47:28 -0400
the current lead story on Yahoo
- http://shine..yahoo.com/event/loveyourbody/why-you-cant-lose-
those-last-10-pounds-1964849/
"...See, an apple a day may have kept the doctor
away 250 years ago when Benjamin Franklin included
the phrase in his almanac. But if that apple comes
loaded with obesity-promoting chemicals - nine of
the ten most commonly used pesticides are obesogens,
and apples are one of the most pesticide-laden foods
out there - then Ben's advice is way out of
date...."
I look forward to market saturday -
David Doud -
grower - indiana
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