There are many PhD's in economics, some with Nobel Prizes, that agree minimum wage laws and unemployment benefits drive up the cost of production. This is so easy to see that it is amazing anyone would think differently. If minimum wage laws do not create unemployment, why not raise it to $100 per hour, or even better, $500 per hour?
When China dumped their Soviet style, state planned economy for a free market approach, they destroyed small manufacturing here in the US, simply because to comply with the restrictive laws here is too expensive to remain competitive. Many see high-cost government regulation as being benign, a help to the poor people. I see it differently. A 16 year-old kid could get real world experience de-tasseling corn or planting tomatoes - that is - if the government would allow him to work for a realistic wage. It is illegal for this kid to work for $6 per hour, *even* *if he wants to*. He is denied this experience, an experience for more valuable that much of the crap he gets from government schools. I would see it very hard to be objective about the question, "More or less government," when one makes their living from taxes collected by the government which uses the threat of prison to get the loot. On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 8:43 PM, Weinzierl, Richard A <[email protected] > wrote: > At the risk of being "just another university person" weighing in on this, > I agree with David's points. > > Jimmy Buffet said it well ... "The gods' honest truth is, it's not that > simple" ... and that applies when it comes to free market economics and > lots of other things. Governments, laws, and policies that consider the > public good and the needs of those at the lower end of the socioeconomic > scale are essential. Our national policies are fraught with political > motivations and a variety of other dishonesties that taint the real issues, > but it is an oversimplification to expect that "all would be fine" if we > abandoned minimum wage laws and cancelled unemployment benefits. > > And I admit that this is my personal view and not a research finding from > my day job as an entomologist. > > Rick Weinzierl > > Professor and Extension Entomologist > IL SARE PDP Coordinator > Department of Crop Sciences, University of Illinois > S-334 Turner Hall, 1102 S. Goodwin Avenue > Urbana, IL 61801 > 217-244-2126 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of David A. Rosenberger > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 8:31 PM > To: Apple-crop discussion list > Subject: Re: [apple-crop] Apples From China? > > So far as I know, there is no political quid pro quo for decisions on what > products can be imported into the US or exported to other countries, and > scientific concerns about importation of pests are given serious > consideration. Nevertheless, Bill's suggestion about trading apples for > flip-flops hints at some factors that may ultimately impact negotiator > positioning. In this case, perhaps we should substitute "soybeans" for > flip-flops. Has anyone checked recently to see the value of soybeans and > other ag exports from the US to China? And then of course, we wouldn't > want to anger China into massive selling of the US securities that they > have purchased over the past several decades while we spent our wealth on > meaningless wars. Thus, we are inextricably linked in a world-wide economy > that at times runs rough-shod over individual winners and losers. In many > cases, it is almost impossible to predict who those winners and losers will > be as governments tug on the economic and > political strings that interconnect countries. > > Reducing or eliminating minimum wage laws and unemployment insurance would > not and will not solve any apple farmer problems related to US competitive > capabilities in the world market. It would only increase the inequities and > distancing of haves and have-nots in our county, inequities that ultimately > contributed to the riots in major cities in the 1960's and that have > contributed to current problems in Fergusson, MO. "Those who ignore > history are doomed to repeat it." It is very difficult to have a vibrant > economy in the midst of anarchy. Increasing the gap between rich and poor > while at the same time burning the bridges that allow social progress for > those born into poverty will almost certainly increase the the probability > of lawlessness among those without any hope for the future. Apple growers > who think that they could live on the current minimum wage should try it > for a year, recognizing of course that one must start the experiment > without any housing, without a car, a > nd with no credit rating. > > If you really believe that the free markets (i.e., no minimum wage, no > unemployment benefits) will solve our problems consider this: We already > have a health care system that ranks somewhere around 29th when compared > with those of other nations (and that was true before Obamacare was > instituted). Yet we pay a much higher price for our healthcare than Canada > and the European countries that have better health care systems than we do, > a fact that rather undermines the case that everything works fine if the > government allows the free market (i.e., insurance and pharmaceutical > companies and tort lawyers) to have their own way. > > **************************************************************** > Dave Rosenberger, Professor Emeritus > Dept. of Plant Pathology and Plant-Microbe Biology Cornell's Hudson Valley > Lab, P.O. Box 727, Highland, NY 12528 > Office: 845-691-7231 Cell: 845-594-3060 > http://blogs.cornell.edu/plantpathhvl/blog-2014/ > **************************************************************** > > On Aug 15, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Fleming, William <[email protected]> wrote: > > > To me it just seems strange that we would allow importing apples from > any country when we depend on exports ourselves to market the excess amount > of fruit we produce. > > Maybe I'm just looking at it with too much common sense. > > Then again many times in trade agreements allowing an import of a > product is traded in exchange for export of another. Who knows, we might be > trading apples for flip-flops. > > Doesn't benefit the apple grower but may benefit an entirely different > industry, and a politician's campaign contributors. > > > > Bill Fleming > > Montana State University > > Western Ag Research Center > > 580 Quast Lane > > Corvallis, MT 59828 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Arvay > > Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 8:26 AM > > To: Apple-crop discussion list > > Subject: [apple-crop] Apples From China? > > > > I'm curious on what the group thinks about this proposed amendment to > the U.S. Fruit and Vegetable Regulation which will allow the import of > apples into the U.S. from China. > > > > I don't want this to become a "All things from China are bad." thread. > > But I can see both negative and positive possibilities on allowing > this. They do recommend additional measures and actions other than the > standard Port of Entry Inspection. > > > > http://www.regulations.gov/?utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_c > > ontent=13804591&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--B9po2Wh9EOEarH4oSyBng8hr9QeyW3LJQbTqn5 > > DyDzYxmuMr2ciJZaLS1t7JjLaavRgsui8ZQ9El8DY6ATo7HsWEkbg&_hsmi=13804591#! > > documentDetail;D=APHIS-2014-0003-0001 > > > > Thanks. > > > > Mike Arvay > > Small Grower in Central Indiana. > > _______________________________________________ > > apple-crop mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > > > _______________________________________________ > > apple-crop mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > > _______________________________________________ > apple-crop mailing list > [email protected] > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop > _______________________________________________ > apple-crop mailing list > [email protected] > http://virtualorchard.net/mailman/listinfo/apple-crop >
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