arachne-digest Saturday, June 9 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1547
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 09:54:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: something wrong at the roots?
from Cristian Burneci:
Let's see now...
hda1 =C:\ - primary Windows partition
hda2 = the extended partition with hda5=/, hda6=swap hda7= /home, all logical
partitions
hda3 =D:\ - another primary Windows partition
Now, I wonder why Windows fdisk doesn't allow creating more than *one* primary
partition on a given hard drive. There must be a rock solid reason for this.
At least try and unset the bootable flag of the second primary partition.
(end of quote)
DOS FDISK traditionally doesn't allow creating more than one primary partition
on a given hard drive, and consumer versions of Windows are based on DOS. I
don't know about WinNT/2000, but OS/2 allows creating up to three primary
partitions on a given hard drive if there is one or more logical partition, or
four primary partitions in the absence of logical partitions. Under DOS and
OS/2, only one primary partition on a hard drive can be accessible at one time
(same with Windows including NT/2000?), and I thought that was an inherent
limitation of the hardware until Linux showed otherwise.
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 08:14:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ken Martwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: something wrong at the roots?
Thomas Mueller wrote (in part):
> Under DOS and OS/2, only one primary partition on a hard drive can be
> accessible at one time (same with Windows including NT/2000?), and I
> thought that was an inherent limitation of the hardware until Linux
> showed otherwise.
The partition table in the MBR (and IDE drives, I think) can contain
up to four entries for "primary" partitions. If there are logical
partitions, one of these entries is a "container" partition for the
logical partitions. There is not a problem accessing more than one
primary partition under DOS. I have a 386 with MS-DOS, PTS-DOS and
FreeDOS on separate bootable partitions. Each OS can readily access
all three partitions.
Ken Martwick
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Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 21:10:17 +0200
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Arachne dying, lynx in good health?
Thomas wrote:
>Was Arachne ever really going strong?
In it's market it is still the number 1 option. The market in this case is
CLI-mode graphical browser.
> Is its death stroll anything new?
Since I don't think Arachne is dying neither yes nor no is a correct answer
(for me anyway) on that question.
>But
>now, RAM is so cheap, there is no sense buying a new computer with less than
>256 MB, computer users move on to bigger things. Why put up with Arachne's
>clumsy scrolling and other comical flaws?
Clumsy scrolling? It has never been clumsy for me. Internet Explorer on the
other hand is awful in this regard. It isn't any better on this Duron
750MHz (incidently with 256MB) than my old machine.
I use Arachne for these reasons:
1. For my OS of choice (DOS, CLI Linux is also an option for me)
2. Fast when starting up
3. "Banner-resistent", instead of adding *more* banners (Opera), you get
less with Arachne (if you have a registered version).
>How many people are working on
>Arachne?
Hmm... Michael, me and Glenn, or something like that.
> Lynx is useful on those super-image-laden Web sites that are just too
>slow in a graphic browser.
Arachne is also fast on these, since I assume you don't load the images.
>Didn't we hear some time last year that Arachne was going to be developed for
>portable, handheld devices like palmtops and cell phones?
I dunno. I still don't understand the idea behind having a browser in a
phone, but having a normal browser would be better than having a WAP
browser. However I've been meaning to look into the possibility to use WAP
pages in Arachne since this would offer another advantage (Opera can view
them IIRC).
BTW: Did you notice that QV has come out in a new version, and it's also
being ported to Linux (CLI of course, no X needed).
//Bernie
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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 14:21:56 -0700
From: "Thomas Tabler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Arachne Rogues Gallery download failed
Dear List:
I tried the "big" download of the GS {Grammar Sherriff Terri}
but it failed. I have 140+ kb DOS memory offline and the error
message said that my computer has insufficient memory. This could
be. But when I went to the cache file, it read as an empty file.
This puzzles me. Could you shed some light on this?
http:/.....ar-gal.htm, etc., etc.
Yours,
Thomas
- -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the e-mail client for DOS--
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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 10:10:36 +0100
From: "Joerg Dietze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Arachne & WAP(was Re: Arachne dying, lynx in good health?)
Hi folks,
On Fri, 8 Jun 2001 21:10:17 +0200, Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
> I dunno. I still don't understand the idea behind having a browser in a
> phone, but having a normal browser would be better than having a WAP
> browser. However I've been meaning to look into the possibility to use WAP
> pages in Arachne since this would offer another advantage (Opera can view
> them IIRC).
<snip>
Arachne and WAP works fine. For an example, try http://wap.ebay.de .
Regards Joerg
- -- Arachne V1.70, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 04:25:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Arachne dying, lynx in good health?
from Clarence Verge:
>Probably no to both, but strength is relative and there are lots of delays
>on death row. ;-)
It costs less to lock up a murderer for life without parole than to prosecute
the death penalty!
<<
Why would any reasonable person fill their computer with stuff they don't
need just because it's cheap ? I'm setting up a new business requiring
four new computers for the engineering department. Are we buying 1.2 Ghz
boxes with 256Mb ram ? No way. 600-800Mhz PIIIs with 128M and that's both
more speed and more memory than we will ever need.
It's not the cost, it's the value.
>>
Now 256 MB RAM can be had for $90 US. It's not what we need now, but what we
will need in the near (?) future. Star Office is a RAM hog (understatement)!
What OS are you running, and what kind of applications? Surely not MS-DOS 3.3?!
<<
>Why put up with Arachne's clumsy scrolling and other comical flaws?
Mostly because we like Arachne. <G> And for me, it gets the job done in
a more pleasant manner than anything I have ever seen anywhere.
>>
Even on a relatively simple but long page like
http://iwin.nws.noaa.gov/iwin/ky/climate.html
vertical scrolling with Arachne is slow and clumsy. Or substitute your state
(2 letter abbreviation) for ky; this is for the USA, and other people who want
US weather reports.
IBM Web Explorer for OS/2, for all its inadequacies serious enough that IBM gave
up on Web Explorer in favor of Netscape, did vertical scrolling rather well.
Web Explorer didn't support frames (just red X's and no links to frame content);
no Java or Javascript, no https, no support for redirection. IBM Web Explorer
was unable to resolve URLs such as http://come.to/catfish.land. But downloading
without viewing was a strong point, user could select and deselect Save to Disk
mode from a menu.
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> Lynx has the advantage of being open-source, ported to many Unixes and some
> non-Unixes too. Newer versions show all images, including inline, as links,
> downloadable or viewable on separate screen. How many people are working on
> Arachne? Lynx is useful on those super-image-laden Web sites that are just
> too slow in a graphic browser.
I like Lynx a lot and if I never wanted to see a picture I would certainly
use it. But that's not what most of us want or need. I'm not familiar with
the new Lynxes you speak of.
Perhaps the PERFECT software would be Lynx-like speed and Kevlar coating
with Arachne's graphic capability.
- - Clarence Verge
>>
DOS users are not left out!
Try http://www.rahul.net/dkaufman/
Anybody know what's happening on Linux Arachne?
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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 11:05:15 +0200
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Arachne dying, lynx in good health?
Thomas wrote:
>Now 256 MB RAM can be had for $90 US.
Actually I paid 2 * 34 * 1.25 (in USD) which is... 85USD ;-)
>Anybody know what's happening on Linux Arachne?
As I've understood it it was merely put together to show that Arachne can
work in other OS than DOS. Michael is (assumingly) working on specifing up
what goes where so porting to other OS will be easier. This is also the
first step in making Arachne, atleast partially, under a GPL license.
//Bernie
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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 11:05:09 +0200
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Arachne & WAP(was Re: Arachne dying, lynx in good health?)
Joerg wrote:
>Arachne and WAP works fine. For an example, try http://wap.ebay.de .
Hmm... that's not WAP. It's some sort of gateway converting WAP pages into
HTML pages. Please note that you are redirected to
http://catalyst.2roam.com/www.ebay.de
For a real WAP page visit wap.svt.se (although I have no idea what Swedish
TV has on their wap pages, and you would probably not understand it even if
Arachne could display it correctly).
//Bernie
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Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2001 13:20:22 +0100
From: "Joerg Dietze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Arachne & WAP(was Re: Arachne dying, lynx in good health?)
Hi Bernie and all,
just for fun, I tried the URL and A. asked me what to do with mime type
text/vnd.wap.wml. Looking at the source of this page remembered me to
HTML code. Just for more fun, I entered following line to mime.cfg:
text/vnd.wap.wml HTM
After restarting A. wap.svt.se was displayed without working links.
For even more fun, I entered http://wap.svt.se/texttv/100.wml and wow!!
a red box (image in wbmp format) and with the exeption of the form
working links. 'cuz A. does it's own line breaks, rendering is a little
bit funny but the page is working so far.
Regards Joerg
On Sat, 9 Jun 2001 11:05:09 +0200, Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joerg wrote:
>> Arachne and WAP works fine. For an example, try http://wap.ebay.de .
> Hmm... that's not WAP. It's some sort of gateway converting WAP pages into
> HTML pages. Please note that you are redirected to
> http://catalyst.2roam.com/www.ebay.de
> For a real WAP page visit wap.svt.se (although I have no idea what Swedish
> TV has on their wap pages, and you would probably not understand it even if
> Arachne could display it correctly).
> //Bernie
- -- Arachne V1.70, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2001 22:46:00 +0200
From: "Or Botton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Arachne & WAP(was Re: Arachne dying, lynx in good health?)
On 1.69 it workes right on the spot once I clicked on the
link. Didnt go trough anything you mentioned. (Though you're
using 1.70b? as it seems.)
On Sun, 10 Jun 2001 13:20:22 +0100, Joerg Dietze wrote:
> Hi Bernie and all,
> just for fun, I tried the URL and A. asked me what to do with mime type
> text/vnd.wap.wml. Looking at the source of this page remembered me to
> HTML code. Just for more fun, I entered following line to mime.cfg:
> text/vnd.wap.wml HTM
>Snip!<
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Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 19:08:01 +0200
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Arachne & WAP(was Re: Arachne dying, lynx in good health?)
Joerg wrote:
>just for fun, I tried the URL and A. asked me what to do with mime type
>text/vnd.wap.wml. Looking at the source of this page remembered me to
>HTML code.
Yes, but it isn't exactly the same. Either Arachne needs support for WML
(WAP Markup Language) or we need a convertor (which is a better choice IMHO).
> Just for more fun, I entered following line to mime.cfg:
>text/vnd.wap.wml HTM
>After restarting A. wap.svt.se was displayed without working links.
>For even more fun, I entered http://wap.svt.se/texttv/100.wml and wow!!
>a red box (image in wbmp format) and with the exeption of the form
>working links.
Yes, that was what we should expect from such a simple page (TextTV
converted to HTML converted to WML?). Only way to get the form to work is
to convert it to JS, but then we need JS support in Arachne ;-)
> 'cuz A. does it's own line breaks, rendering is a little
>bit funny but the page is working so far.
//Bernie
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