arachne-digest Monday, December 30 2002 Volume 01 : Number 2000
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 17:13:16 -0500 From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: arachne-digest V1 #1999 Uh oh...... D2k is almost here. Does everyone have their D2k 'bug fix' in-place and running ??? <g g g> - -- Glenn http://arachne.cz/ http://www.delorie.com/listserv/mime/ http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/download.htm http://www.thispagecannotbedisplayed.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 05:22:31 +0000 From: "Laurie L Proud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: HTML Programming On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:46:33 -0700, you wrote: > Laurie, Bob, Bastiaan, et al... > We should NOT forget our very OWN basic teaching tool..-...this > little .APM is a GREAT learning tool for HTML...(it also hacks out > not too shabby webpages)...<g g g g> > http://browser.arachne.cz/dos/ ....and click on the HTMTOY link > about 3/4 of the way down the page.......or... > http://browser.arachne.cz/apm/htmt0922.apm ...to download the .APM > directly..... > .... > After it "autoinstalls" be SURE to choose the "Save" option to save > the package, also. When I renewed my APM's after upgrading to 1.71UE01 I got the other HTML Editor.... "HTML Editor for Arachne" Copyright 1999 Vitex Software - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Version 0.9 Beta ......Unfinished Beta version :-( This might be the one you refer to. I like the look of it and had it installed ready to play. If you have checked both, which HTML Editor is the one you recomend ? It's a shame this Editor is still a Beta, it look's virtually finished. reminds me of Edit. Provided it's stable and hasen't any bugs it looks very useful. Don't overdo the Xmas Pud ! > ......gregy Thank's your info Gregy, Laurie - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:34:08 +00 From: "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Ara 171 Lite I just installed Arachne 171 Lite edition... Used the PPP-wizard and entered phonenumbers, passwords, etc. Tried to reach Arachne Homepage. After dialing "Login:" was on the screen and nothing hapened. Pressed F7 and Arachne Home page showed up... but no images, not after "load images" or "reload". Still online I pressed "M" for mail en tried to download the incomming mail... no luck :*( There were 2 messages waiting but they are not downloaded. Well, I dialed again => total lock up of Arachne => power off was the only solution. Hey... changes in arachne.cfg ***how would a newbie know this? [dialer] Autologin No => Yes WaitFor1 Name: => ogin: Response1 \u WaitFor2 sword: Response2 \p WaitFor3 > => switched off by ; Response3 ppp => switched off by ; Now login script normal... but dead dead slow (computer?) ********************************** Installed new wwwman.exe :-) now lock up on YOUR COMPUTER great! CDROM can now used from within Arachne :-) CU, Bastiaan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 00:43:03 +00 From: "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: bootmanager sbminst.exe :-(( Hi all, Got me the bootmanager sbminst.exe and supportfile cwsdpmi.exe After installing all disks (A: C: and D:) gave a "disk error" and there was no booting at all anymore... choosing a disk results in a frozen computer => power off to start again. Luckely uninstall is possible - first boot by a floppy - so all is now back to normal... but that was not the intention. CU, Bastiaan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 19:07:49 -0500 From: "Dave Ratti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Re: now, DOS is JAVA JAVA-PC is no longer available for download or purchase at http://java.sun.com/pr/1998/09/spotnews/sn980922.html - Do you have a copy you could make available? Thanx, Dave - -----Original Message----- From: "Ronald Bleckendorf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 07:49:22 +1000 (E. Australia Standard Time) Subject: Re: now, DOS is JAVA Yes, Java is indeed different from JavaScript. java is also an operating system in its own right. However, there are only a few dozen Java PCs in the world at this time. Most of those are at Sun Microsystems. Those machines run Java directly. Being fairly small compared with Windows, the whole OS is stored on ROM. Whenever the machine is turned on, there is no waiting time for the OS to load. Most of us don't have a Java machine, so we have to install a "Virtual Machine" first. This virtual machine - or JVM - communicates between Java and the operating system of the physical machine. JVMs are available for practically any platform, hence the portability. Using a virtual machine introduces some problems, though: As really two operating systems are used, with the VM to translate between the two, a noticeable drop in performance can be experienced. Technically speaking, there is really no JVM for Windows. It is really a DOS application. That's true for the Sun JVM. I have a feeling the Microsoft version may not work under DOS only systems. When installing the Sun Microsystems Java Virtual Machine, the following should be added to the autoexec.bat file: set classpath=c:\java\lib\classes.zip; path=c:\java\bin Java does NOT need Windows to run. The Sun Microsystem's JVM for DOS is a DOS-based application. Even some Windows versions work in a DOS-only environment. Having said that, I have to admit that later versions (higher than 1.1) may not work correctly on DOS-only systems. Especially later versions may be taylored to run on the newer, non-DOS based Windows (NT, 2000 and XP). So, if you download a version, try to get an old one:-) The DOS version 1.1 works fine here under DOS 6.22. All Java needs is DOS and the correct Java JRE. Almost all Java programming is done in DOS text mode (even if Windows is the OS), and the code is compiled from the command prompt. The code is similar, but not the same, as C++ code, so C programmers will find it easier to learn There are really no practical GUI interfaces for programming in Java. Everything, even graphics, have to be coded in a text editor of some kind before compiling. Borland JBuilder (Windows needed) makes things easier, but is still only a better text editor. For easier graphical interfaces, Osborne and Lambert's "BreezyGUI" (no Windows needed) can be very helpful for beginners. Even though Java is said to be the fastest growing language (probably because of web applets), I can think of only two truly practical application which is "Corel Office for Java", which includes WordPerfect, QuattroPro and a schduler. (Details: http://developer.novell com/research/devnotes/1997/may/16/), and Lotus Kona, which includes everything MS Office does. I was able to download a copy of Corel Office for Java a couple of years ago, but the site seems to have gone. If anyone is interested, let me know. Sun Microsystems also developed a pure Java web browser called "HotJava", which runs on any java platform below 1.2. Again, if the proper JVM is installed, Windows is not necessary to run this browser. It can handle Java (of course!) and JavaScript as well. The browser can be downloaded from http://java.sun.com/products/hotjava/3.0/ The Sun Microsystem DOS JVM is called JAVA-PC and can be downloaded from http://java.sun.com/pr/1998/09/spotnews/sn980922.html. Just follow the links It may not work very well in systems below 486, though. I use the Java for DOS JRE 1.1 on an old 486DX66, 1MB RAM, 30MB HDD. This allows me to connect the machine to the network and thus access the Internet using the fully graphical HotJava browser. Another option could be to install RJ-DOS (if you can find it), which is a DOS platform which includes a JVM. Hope this helps. Dr. Ron - -------Original Message------- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, 29 December 2002 05:55:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: now, DOS is JAVA We had a discussion on the List, some time ago, and if I recall correctly JAVA is totaly different to java-script. Java-script is bad... not handled by Arachne Yes, it was mentioned that JAVA is running in every operating system... is it an operating system itself? Who knows some more about JAVA? CU, Bastiaan On Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:01:30 +0000, Ariel Lachter wrote: > (sorry my bad english) > Yesterday "the bad" are frames. > Now "the bad" is java. > I see in freebyte that make programs that run in any > operating system with virtual java machine. > Maybe is time to change, d.o.s ==> java. > Who take the bull by the horn's? > -- Arachne V1.70;rev.3, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 15:47:08 -0800 From: "Ray Andrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: arachne-digest V1 #1999 Hi Glenn, all, > I 'hide' the Dos partitions so that WinCrap can't screw-them-up. Come to think of it, that was a *really* stupid question on my part :-( But since I'm always under DOS 7.10, the problem dosen't come up for me. >>> gdisk 1 /-hide /p:1 >>> gdisk 1 /act /p:1 >> Why do you hide and then activate the same partition? > Nope, I was 'unhiding' partition #1 Pardon! ... sloppy question on my part. But what about trying to manipulate drive letters by changing the order in which partitions are activated? Oh, and I started to tinker with the wwwman source code from your site, but my old DOS compiler (Borland 1.1) won't touch the ASM, so I can't link. Can you recomend a compiler that will handle ASM and a (hopefully free) download site for same? Ray Andrews, Vancouver, Canada - -- Arachne V1.71;UE01, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:36:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: %k Excerpt from "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > BTW, > I had to change the '$' to '%' in the subject because the > cisnet.com SMTP program refuses '$' signs in the subject line. :( > 554 Filtered out by Filter 0 because "Subject" = "Re: $k" Glenn, That is a bug on the cisnet.com end. Did you tell them about it? What did they say? Does anybody else have trouble sending or receiving a message with '$' in the subject line? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:36:54 -0500 (EST) From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: What's important for Arachne's future? > So here's a question for everyone: What new features are most > important for Arachne's future development? > Sam Ewalt > Croswell, Michigan, USA My first thoughts on this subject are Javascript and https. Lynx now supports https, and this includes the DOS port. With Arachne being released to open source, there should be no license restrictions on incorporating OpenSSL. If Arachne is released to GPL, why would there be any license restrictions regarding porting to gcc and DJGPP, and to an HTML library possibly using Allegro graphics library? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:36:53 -0500 (EST) From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: arachne-digest V1 #1993 > GEOWORKS supported long filenames in DOS several years before Microsoft > managed to get 95 launched. So Microsoft has no claim to the idea > whatsoever. > Sam Ewalt > Croswell, Michigan, USA Microsoft's own Windows NT came before 95, and featured support for long file names with NTFS. Before that, IBM-Microsoft OS/2 supported long file names with HPFS. Then there were various Unixes too. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 20:36:49 -0500 (EST) From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Why can't you simply do FTP instead of doing "browser upload"? Excerpt from "Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Until a year ago they made FTP possible and FTP is much faster, no bload > at all... and files are smaller. HTTP is a 7 bit system so files, eg > images, must be encoded by the sender and decoded by the provider. Is > MIME the en/decoder; 8 bit => 7 bit ?? > Like attachments becomming larger than the original files. HTTP is only 7 bits? I have downloaded a lot of .zip files, also other binary types via http, and I didn't see any MIME-style encoding. FTP07 is a standalone FTP program for DOS, dating to 1993 but still good, however no support for resuming interrupted downloads or uploads. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:10:57 CST From: "Glenn Gilbreath Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Arachne for <shudder>cringe, shake,</shudder> Windows Hiya List! I really didn't want to quote the orignal message, but... if anyone does decide to re-write Arachne for (shudder) Windows, the first thing to consider is...Which version? Do you write for 16 bit Win3X? or 32 bit Win9X? That will then determine the programming language you need to use...Delphi is good for 16 bit, Visual Basic for both 16 and 32 bit, depending on version. Personally, I'd prefer a Win3X version. There are already enough "me too" browsers for Win9X, but the options for Win3X are SEVERELY limited at present. MS IE frozen in time at 5, but to use it you need minimum 16 meg RAM and a 486DX...IE 3 is only partially usable, though the dialer is great. Opera 3.62 has become my browser of choice for Win3X. NetScape for Win3X never did work as advertised, in fact it has a tendency to delete DLL files needed by other software. One more thing...the Java and JavaScript destinction...please, these 2 animals are totally different. Thankfully I have not ran into Java anyway, but JavaScript is so prevalent on the web it is becoming a necessity. Such things as online forms, surveys, pick lists, even mundane things such as signing up for various lists...all these require JavaScript. At the moment, I DO NOT recommend anyone attempt to run Java on a Win3X machine...the virtual machine for Win3X is buggy and extremely SSSSLLLLOOOOWWWW... C U L8R! Glenn Wiz <{;-) Wizard57M Glenn Gilbreath Jr. http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/index.htm - -- DOS Internet, Close Windows and Keep the Internet Open! -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 01:36:37 -0300 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: ..is JAVAPC from legacy to http://cjos.sourceforge.net? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C2AFA3.E49FC080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not JAVAPC stuff easy to find except this : http://cjos.sourceforge.net/redist/wiki/J/JJOSAndBinaryEdition.html Development of the JJOS ncr (native code runtime) for the x86 = PC-compatible (hereafter called "target") is not self-hosted (yet). = For the bare i386+ PC JJOS ncr (hereafter called "nativetarget"), one = must use 2 PCs, each connected to a common Ethernet. The development = host PC upon which JJOS binaries are built (hereafter called "host") = must be a Linux, x86 PC. =20 The target must be an i386+ PC.=20 I am using a P5 Gateway for the host, and a P5 Baby AT for the target.=20 ********************* The above would need urgent explanation from anybody in this list with = enough knowledge of History :) jos/cjos/jjos ....?????? ********************** BTW about RJ-DOS: I found this link for RJ-DOS (one of the layers of a Point of Sale = propietary schema with a JVM for DOS inside) =20 http://www.isssd.com/products/instore/possolutions/detail/rjdos.asp?bhcp=3D= 1 **The bad : after visiting Sunsite it seems that JVM are only for Win = . Googleing in forums mostly threads are about DOS console in Windows = (not plain DOS) **The good: to hear about the existence of a JVM for DOS :-) Python is a cross-platform language that can be used within DOS with = same-style bytecode interpreter as Java does (even using JPython for = being used within Java) =20 I wonder why there isn't any JVM for DOS easily available for download = ? Elliot - ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C2AFA3.E49FC080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4134.100" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Not JAVAPC stuff easy to find except = this=20 :</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20 href=3D"http://cjos.sourceforge.net/redist/wiki/J/JJOSAndBinaryEdition.ht= ml">http://cjos.sourceforge.net/redist/wiki/J/JJOSAndBinaryEdition.html</= A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV>Development of the JJOS ncr (native code runtime) for the = x86=20 PC-compatible (hereafter called "target") is <B>not</B> self-hosted=20 (yet). For the bare i386+ PC JJOS ncr = (hereafter=20 called "nativetarget"), one must use 2 PCs, each connected to a common=20 Ethernet. The development host PC upon which JJOS binaries are = built=20 (hereafter called "host") must be a Linux, x86 PC. </DIV> <DIV> <P>The target must be an i386+ PC.=20 <P>I am using a P5 Gateway for the host, and a P5 Baby AT for the = target.=20 </P></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>*********************</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The above would need urgent = explanation=20 from anybody in this list with enough knowledge of History = :)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jos/cjos/jjos ....??????</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>**********************</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>BTW about RJ-DOS:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I found this link for RJ-DOS (one of = the layers of=20 a Point of Sale propietary schema with a JVM for DOS=20 inside)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR> </DIV></FONT> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20 href=3D"http://www.isssd.com/products/instore/possolutions/detail/rjdos.a= sp?bhcp=3D1">http://www.isssd.com/products/instore/possolutions/detail/rj= dos.asp?bhcp=3D1</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>**The bad : after = visiting Sunsite=20 it seems that JVM are only for Win . Googleing in forums mostly threads = are=20 about DOS console in Windows (not plain DOS)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>**The good: to hear about the = existence of a=20 JVM for DOS :-)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Python is a cross-platform = language that=20 can be used within DOS with same-style bytecode interpreter=20 as Java does (even using JPython for being used within=20 Java) </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I wonder why there isn't = any JVM=20 for DOS easily available for download ?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Elliot</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV></BODY></HTML> - ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C2AFA3.E49FC080-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 03:19:49 -0500 From: "Sojun Sunborn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: bootmanager sbminst.exe :-(( Interesting, I have installed "sbm" on three computers without problems. The only problem that I have found is that sbm might not boot older FreeDOS kernels. I thought the FreeDOS problem was isolated to my computer because the next build of FreeDOS I downloaded worked perfectly. Sometimes you get what you pay for though. You should email the creator(s) of this package, something like that shouldn't happen. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 00:27:44 +0100 (CET) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) Subject: I built me a miniLAN but... Hi Bart! 20 Dec 2002, Bart Buitinga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: BB> Routing is still completely obscure to me. It must be possible to put BB> up some table on Hoppla, passing the modems tcp-ip connection on to BB> the eth0 as long as the ISP delivers ip addresses, but no luck so far. routing is for "real" IPs only. What you need is IP Masquerading (aka NAT network address translation) eg. modem dials, gets a real IP, and the linux box masquerades the internal IPs, so that they can also use the net. (even with "fake" internal IPs) BB> Considering the win versions in this experiment I have one specific BB> question: How can I make win95 stop complaining about a BB> "netware-compatible shell not available" ?? have never seen anything like that. BB> Further I've had no luck whatsoever trying to connect from BB> win311 to win95 or vice versa with winfile / winnet. Anyone? Should work. I have gotten a 486 from the dump to play with, and it has no problems to talk to a linux samba server ... so win95 should work as well. You need M$ TCP for the win 3.x machine anyways. BB> Are there other uses for IPX? If you do not intend to use novell netware than no :) CU, Ricsi PS: Those using ramdisks ... have you tried to use JAM on them ?? This is a really cute disk compression program taking up 24k of ram, but it can compress the ramdrive tightly ... maybe somebody wants to take a closer look. (JAM is available on simtel.net as jam125sw.zip IMHO) - -- |~)o _ _o Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> {ICQ: 7659421} (PGP) |~\|(__\| -=> Forget the computer! Where's my abacus? <=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:09:31 +0100 (CET) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) Subject: Why can't you simply do FTP instead of doing "browser upload"? Hi Samuel! 23 Dec 2002, "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: SH> Is it just a mechanism for calling a routine compiled into the main SH> browser program? yes SH> Is this routine nothing more than a quite ordinary FTP SH> program that Bill Gates probably stole from somebody else? FTP and HTTP are completely different protocols !!! HTTP upload is a feature specified in the HTTP RFC that makes it possible to send files from the client to the server. FTP has *NOTHING* to do with it !!!!!!!!! SH> The Micro$oft brainwashed techies think that "http upload" or "browser SH> upload" is something truly different, and they are 100% right SH> and something that uses the latest and greatest protocols that are SH> needed for negotiating with all the web sites incorporating the latest SH> Micro$oft "standards". has nothing to do with microsoft. I have used it with a little project under linux, and it was VERY handy, and saved me much work. SH> Sam Heywood CU, Ricsi - -- |~)o _ _o Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> {ICQ: 7659421} (PGP) |~\|(__\| -=> How Dare You Ask Questions Without Reading The Manual <=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:28:05 +0100 (CET) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) Subject: Comments on the DMCA and TPCA Hi Samuel! 23 Dec 2002, "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: SH> It is believed that the law will be passed and that even President SH> Bush will sign his approval of it. Sam ... I really like your sense of humour !!! Have litterally been laughing out loud for many minutes ... that EVEN is sooooo wonderful ... SH> It is my opinion that the law, if passed, would soon be repealed due SH> to popular protest. Where is the american protest ?? America was thinking about the DMCA. In Europe it was immediately discussed, and opposed. America introduced the DMCA. Europe still opposed it. Most americans seem not even to have *NOTICED* it. America thinks about mandatory TCPA fearures. Europe discusses snd opposes it. America is silent. America introduces .... Do you get the picture ?? SH> If it is not repealed I think it would be overturned by the courts due SH> to concerns as to its constitutionality and over concerns about how it SH> violates the anti-monopoly laws. Has not yet happened with the DMCA. SH> If the law is passed, and if the law stands, I think it will open up a SH> lucrative black-market for technicians and hackers who would soon SH> learn of a way to bypass and defeat the new technology to be installed SH> on the new DMCA and TPCA compliant computers. Sure ... but this is irrelevant. RIAA wants to stop joe average from copying his CDs etc. They don't care about advanced hackers. There are too few of them. The only thing that matters is that the hackers can't find a way to circumvent the measures for Joe average, because this would hurt their $$$. They have tried with software only, and miserably failed. So they need TPCA. As long as you have TCPA computers Joe average will NOT be able to copy. SH> Also there would be ways for overseas computer manufacturers to SH> continue to manufacture computers without DMCA and TPCA technology and SH> arrange to have them smuggled into the US. Sure ... These dealers will be prosecuted by the police. Conclusio: Americans stop to shut up, turn on your brain, and oppose the passing of silly laws. And don't forget that there are lobby controlled idiots in high positions ... actually very high ones :(( SH> Sam Heywood CU, Ricsi - -- |~)o _ _o Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> {ICQ: 7659421} (PGP) |~\|(__\| -=> Life is a sexually transmitted and terminal disease <=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:50:34 +0100 (CET) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) Subject: arachne-digest V1 #1988 Hi Michal! 23 Dec 2002, "Michal H. Tyc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: MT> Long filenames are not supported, because Micros**t has some patent MT> on it. How did the linux folk evade that patent. Linux FAT driver supports LFNs and if there were any patent issues than M$ would sure have sued the author of that particular code ! Situation is much worse with NTFS, and there is also a beta driver for that FS. MT> Greetings, MT> Michal CU, Ricsi - -- |~)o _ _o Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> {ICQ: 7659421} (PGP) |~\|(__\| -=> If you can't make it good, make it LOOK good <=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:13:00 +0100 (CET) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) Subject: Why can't you simply do FTP instead of doing "browser upload"? Hi Samuel! 23 Dec 2002, "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: SH> As most of you all know, Arachne and other normal internet browsers SH> do not come with the totally unecessary and undesireable feature of SH> having a "browser upload" function like the one that is incorporated SH> into the bloatware browsers MSIE and NetScape. first how many NORMAL browsers do you know that do NOT incorporate this trivial feature ? second it is not only incorporated into MSIE and NS, but also into mozilla, netscape, lynx ........................ SH> When I write to the web site tech support people to ask if I can SH> simply do FTP instead, they answer with a resounding "NO". too much work for them. They need to set up a FTP server with write rights for all accounts they have. and furthermore FTP is pure CRAP. (the protocol is badly designed, and there are many security risks in the FTP daemons.) SH> Why can't you simply do FTP instead of doing "browser upload"? SH> The techies say you can't do it, but they refuse to explain why. The 2 are completely independant. The webapplications often use PHP (or similar scripting language) to do the work. There a HTTP upload is trivial ... and you can restrict it to already authenticated sessions. If you want to use FTP, than you have to set up a FTP server (and therefor open up a big security hole), and furthermore you need to solve the authentication problem, and you need to solve how the web application gets the filename. SH> Isn't plain old ordinary FTP still the standard and normal and SH> most universally acceptable method for transferring files? NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FTP uses cleartext authentication ... therefor it MUST NOT be used for anything other than anopnymous access. But it still is used for distributing software via anonymous FTP. Don't mix these 2 issues. SH> Another question: Why did the developers of MSIE and NetScape even SH> ever want to incorporate a "browser upload" feature? Because it is VERY handy. SH> This is certainly not a feature that any normal browser should have. in your oppinion. Mine is different :) SH> This kind of feature certainly is not needed. It serves only to make SH> the browser more bloated and to run more slowly. The implementation is not hard, and everybody has another definition of bloat. This trivial and useful feature is sure not bloat for me. SH> Sam Heywood CU, Ricsi PS: Michael we are talking about pre mozilla netscapes :)) Netscape 3 and 4 are older than mozilla ... :) - -- |~)o _ _o Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> {ICQ: 7659421} (PGP) |~\|(__\| -=> I am immortal, at least till I die <=- ------------------------------ End of arachne-digest V1 #2000 ******************************
