arachne-digest Monday, February 28 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1017
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 18:31:48 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ngs aren't mail [Re: PC-Pine for DOS doesn't like NWCACH
Hello L.D:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 04:16:52 -0400, L.D. Best wrote:
> To pull from or post to news groups, you don't use either POP3 or SMTP.
> You use whatever your ISP says is the proper "news" address. Sometimes
> that is just news.ispname.here or sometimes it is a "rental" news
> server. Sometimes with the "rental" servers you also have to transmit a
> valid username & password [not yours, your ISP's].
Yes, in my setup there was a place to enter my news server name. In my
case it is "news.shentel.net". That is the server name that I indicated,
same as on my Net-Tamer setup.
> If you are trying to send posts to ngs via SMTP you *will* get a lockup
> cuz it can't be done that way! <G>
No, I wasn't trying to post to newsgroups via my smtp server. For that
reason I could not understand why I was initially receiving error
messages from PC-PINE telling me that no smtp server had been identified.
I don't know what was wrong, but never mind, I messed around with my
setup some more and my PC-PINE is now working just fine. No problems.
> As to getting old messages with the new from an ng, it is up to YOU [if
> not done automatically like NetTamer does it] to tell the ng server LIST
> 2345- iow, YOU have to be the one to tell the server what messages
> you want. If you dig into the NetTamer docs & stuff, it can give you a
> decent idea of how to get a "list" starting with a specific number, or a
> "list" of just the subject lines & message numbers, etc etc etc. The
> news server doesn't know you from Adam, so you have to be the boss.
Yes, I figured out that one too, with the help of "Uncle Dave" and with
a guru on the newsgroup at "comp.mail.pine".
Thanks for trying to rescue me, but I've already been saved.
All the best,
Sam Heywood
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 18:47:28 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PC-Pine for DOS doesn't like NWCACHE
Hello Thomas:
On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 05:46:00 -0500 (EST), Thomas Mueller wrote:
> Sam Heywood and Ricsi,
> If the user posts to and downloads from specified newsgroups, why would PC-PINE
> try to read the entire newsgroup list? Is that what happens? Is there no place
> in PC-PINE to keep track of or edit the news message numbers? UKA_PPP doesn't
> insist on knowing all the other newsgroups, and it keeps track of message
> numbers so as not to download the same stuff repeatedly, and there is no trouble
> posting news messages. If I try Pine, it will be the new 4.20 or 4.21 for Linux
> and/or OS/2 Warp; I feel warned against the DOS version.
No problem with the DOS version. PC-PINE, DOS version, does have a nifty way
of keeping up with the message numbers. I just had a problem trying to figure
out how to set it up. I needed some help, and I got it. I believe the
problem with understanding the setup documentation for PC-PINE for DOS
derives from the instructions having been written apparently by Unix users.
I don't understand Unix stuff. Never dabbled very much with it. Most Unix
users don't know how to communicate very well with DOS users, and vice-versa.
Sam Heywood
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 19:18:26 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Kak virus
Hello fellow Arachnids:
On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:53:1 +0800, J J Young made this comment while
writing on an unrelated subject:
> The only problem has been when the majority were sending HTML-format mail
> which is displayed as a plain text message followed by the bulky and
> tiring HTML source. (Since infection by the Kak virus, HTML-format
> messages are disallowed, but quoted-printable is still an annoyance.
Please enlighten me on how I should interpret the above comment. I know
nothing about the Kak virus. Is it one that is transmitted by HTML mail?
Are DOS machines immune to the Kak virus?
An HTML mail message is in reality only an ascii text file, but it is
most annoying to suffer with an attached HTML file that is the same as
the basic email message except for the HTML tags. What a waste of
bandwidth! I don't know why people send us such junk, except perhaps out
of ignorance. They probably don't know any better.
It has long been believed that it is impossible to transmit a virus with
an ascii text file. I have recently heard a story that Micro$oft Outlook
can be infected with a straight-up ascii email message, but I have not
yet attempted to confirm whether the tale is true.
Sam Heywood
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 20:18:57 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PC-Pine for DOS doesn't like NWCACHE
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Hello Arachnids:
Take a look at my configuration file and then try to imagine what kinds of
problems I had in figuring out all this stuff.
On Sun, 27 Feb 2000 00:12:36 +0100 (CET), [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Richard Menedetter) wrote:
> Hi
> "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> SH> Anyway ALL problems mentioned in my posts on this subject are now
> SH> solved.
> GREAT !!!
> What was the problem ??
> Maybe others will have these problems too ...
> SH> Sam Heywood
> CU, Ricsi
Yes, I think others will have these problems. I am posting a successful
configuration file. It is named PINERC. This really works! Modify it to
suit yourself.
Additional notes:
I have not yet tested the part that deals with an external viewer.
The part that deals with an external editor does not work, and it can
not be made to work in version 3.96 for DOS, according to a FAQ.
I used NetDial by Marc S. Ressl and EPPPD.EXE to dialup my ISP and to
load a packet driver.
Very important:
SENTMAIL,SAVEMAIL,PENDMAIL,and RECDMAIL are not directory names. They
are filenames that will be auto-generated by PC-PINE. The file names
will be given a user-specifiable extension as indicated in line 290.
Before you run PC-PINE, make sure that you create a file named NEWSRC
in the directory C:\PINE. This is what the contents should be of your
NEWSRC file:
comp.mail.pine:
comp.mail.imap:
Just list the newsgroups in the format shown above. Then copy this
file to NEWSRC.OLD, in the same directory. After you run PC-PINE to
access newsgroups, the right message numbers will get auto-inserted.
I know I could probably apply some really good tweaks to my configuration
file, but I've decided that it would be best to wait until it's broke before
I begin to fix it <vbg>.
Best of luck,
Sam Heywood
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# Updated by Pine(tm) 3.96, copyright 1989-1996 University of Washington.
#
# Pine configuration file -- customize as needed.
#
# This file sets the configuration options used by Pine and PC-Pine. If you
# are using Pine on a Unix system, there may be a system-wide configuration
# file which sets the defaults for these variables. There are comments in
# this file to explain each variable, but if you have questions about
# specific settings see the section on configuration options in the Pine
# notes. On Unix, run pine -conf to see how system defaults have been set.
# For variables that accept multiple values, list elements are separated
# by commas. A line beginning with a space or tab is considered to be a
# continuation of the previous line. For a variable to be unset its value
# must be blank. To set a variable to the empty string its value should
# be "". You can override system defaults by setting a variable to the
# empty string. Switch variables are set to either "yes" or "no", and
# default to "no".
# Lines beginning with "#" are comments, and ignored by Pine.
########################### Essential Parameters ###########################
# Over-rides your full name from Unix password file. Required for PC-Pine.
personal-name=3DSamuel W. Heywood
# Your login/e-mail user name
user-id=3Dsamuel_heywood
# Sets domain part of From: and local addresses in outgoing mail.
user-domain=3Dsubdimension.com
# List of SMTP servers for sending mail. If blank: Unix Pine uses sendmail.
smtp-server=3Dsmtp.shentel.net
# NNTP server for posting news. Also sets news-collections for news reading.
nntp-server=3Dnews.shentel.net
# Path of (local or remote) INBOX, e.g. =3D{mail.somewhere.edu}inbox
# Normal Unix default is the local INBOX (usually /usr/spool/mail/$USER).
inbox-path=3D{mail.subdimension.com}INBOX
###################### Collections, Folders, and Files #####################
# List of incoming msg folders besides INBOX, e.g. =3D{host2}inbox, {host3}inbox
# Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-host-name}folder-path
incoming-folders=3D
# List of directories where saved-message folders may be. First one is
# the default for Saves. Example: Main {host1}mail/[], Desktop mail\[]
# Syntax: optnl-label {optnl-imap-hostname}optnl-directory-path[]
folder-collections=3DC:\PINE\FOLDERS\[]
# List, only needed if nntp-server not set, or news is on a different host
# than used for NNTP posting. Examples: News *[] or News *{host3/nntp}[]
# Syntax: optnl-label *{news-host/protocol}[]
news-collections=3D
# List of folder pairs; the first indicates a folder to archive, and the
# second indicates the folder read messages in the first should
# be moved to.
incoming-archive-folders=3D
# List of context and folder pairs, delimited by a space, to be offered for
# pruning each month. For example: {host1}mail/[] mumble
pruned-folders=3D
# Over-rides default path for sent-mail folder, e.g. =3Dold-mail (using first
# folder collection dir) or =3D{host2}sent-mail or =3D"" (to suppress saving).
# Default: sent-mail (Unix) or SENTMAIL.MTX (PC) in default folder collection.
default-fcc=3DC:\PINE\FOLDERS\SENTMAIL
# Over-rides default path for saved-msg folder, e.g. =3Dsaved-messages (using first
# folder collection dir) or =3D{host2}saved-mail or =3D"" (to suppress saving).
# Default: saved-messages (Unix) or SAVEMAIL.MTX (PC) in default folder collection.
default-saved-msg-folder=3DC:\PINE\FOLDERS\SAVEMAIL
# Over-rides default path for postponed messages folder, e.g. =3Dpm (which uses
# first folder collection dir) or =3D{host4}pm (using home dir on host4).
# Default: postponed-msgs (Unix) or POSTPOND.MTX (PC) in default fldr coltn.
postponed-folder=3DC:\PINE\FOLDERS\PENDMAIL
# If set, specifies where already-read messages will be moved upon quitting.
read-message-folder=3DC:\PINE\FOLDERS\RECDMAIL
# Over-rides default path for signature file. Default is ~/.signature
signature-file=3D
# List of file or path names for global/shared addressbook(s).
# Default: none
# Syntax: optnl-label path-name
global-address-book=3DC:\ARACHNE\DIRTEL\ADDRESS.TXT
# List of file or path names for personal addressbook(s).
# Default: ~/.addressbook (Unix) or \PINE\ADDRBOOK (PC)
# Syntax: optnl-label path-name
address-book=3D
############################### Preferences ################################
# List of features; see Pine's Setup/options menu for the current set.
# e.g. feature-list=3D select-without-confirm, signature-at-bottom
# Default condition for all of the features is no-.
feature-list=3Denable-alternate-editor-implicitly,
enable-incoming-folders,
enable-alternate-editor-cmd,
news-approximates-new-status,
news-post-without-validation,
news-read-in-newsrc-order
# Pine executes these keys upon startup (e.g. to view msg 13: i,j,1,3,CR,v)
initial-keystroke-list=3D
# Only show these headers (by default) when composing messages
default-composer-hdrs=3D
# Add these customized headers (and possible default values) when composing
customized-hdrs=3D
# When viewing messages, include this list of headers
viewer-hdrs=3D
# Determines default folder name for Saves...
# Choices: default-folder, by-sender, by-from, by-recipient, last-folder-used.
# Default: "default-folder", i.e. "saved-messages" (Unix) or "SAVEMAIL" (PC).
saved-msg-name-rule=3D
# Determines default name for Fcc...
# Choices: default-fcc, by-recipient, last-fcc-used.
# Default: "default-fcc" (see also "default-fcc=3D" variable.)
fcc-name-rule=3D
# Sets presentation order of messages in Index. Choices:
# subject, from, arrival, date, size. Default: "arrival".
sort-key=3D
# Sets presentation order of address book entries. Choices: dont-sort,
# fullname-with-lists-last, fullname, nickname-with-lists-last, nickname
# Default: "fullname-with-lists-last".
addrbook-sort-rule=3D
# Sets the default folder and collectionoffered at the Goto Command's prompt.
goto-default-rule=3D
# Reflects capabilities of the display you have. Default: US-ASCII.
# Typical alternatives include ISO-8859-x, (x is a number between 1 and 9).
character-set=3D
# Specifies the program invoked by ^_ in the Composer,
# or the "enable-alternate-editor-implicitly" feature.
editor=3DC:\TSEJR\Q.EXE
# Specifies the program invoked by ^T in the Composer.
speller=3D
# Specifies the column of the screen where the composer should wrap.
composer-wrap-column=3D
# Specifies the string to insert when replying to message.
reply-indent-string=3D
# Specifies the string to use when sending a message with no to or cc.
empty-header-message=3D
# Program to view images (e.g. GIF or TIFF attachments).
image-viewer=3DC:\PICTVIEW\PICTVIEW.EXE
# If "user-domain" not set, strips hostname in FROM address. (Unix only)
use-only-domain-name=3D
########## Set within or by Pine: No need to edit below this line ##########
# Your default printer selection
printer=3D
# List of special print commands
personal-print-command=3D
# Which category default print command is in
personal-print-category=3D
# Set by Pine; controls beginning-of-month sent-mail pruning.
last-time-prune-questioned=3D100.2
# Set by Pine; controls display of "new version" message.
last-version-used=3D3.96
# This names the path to an alternative program, and any necessary arguments,
# to be used in posting mail messages. Example:
# /usr/lib/sendmail -oem -t -oi
# or,
# /usr/local/bin/sendit.sh
# The latter a script found in Pine distribution's contrib/util directory.
# NOTE: The program MUST read the message to be posted on standard input,
# AND operate in the style of sendmail's "-t" option.
sendmail-path=3D
# This names the root of the tree to which the user is restricted when reading
# and writing folders and files. For example, on Unix ~/work confines the
# user to the subtree beginning with their work subdirectory.
# (Note: this alone is not sufficient for preventing access. You will also
# need to restrict shell access and so on, see Pine Technical Notes.)
# Default: not set (so no restriction)
operating-dir=3D
# This variable takes a list of programs that message text is piped into
# after MIME decoding, prior to display.
display-filters=3D
# This defines a program that message text is piped into before MIME
# encoding, prior to sending
sending-filters=3D
# A list of alternate addresses the user is known by
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
# This is a list of formats for address books. Each entry in the list is made
# up of space-delimited tokens telling which fields are displayed and in
# which order. See help text
addressbook-formats=3D
# This gives a format for displaying the index. It is made
# up of space-delimited tokens telling which fields are displayed and in
# which order. See help text
index-format=3D
# The number of lines of overlap when scrolling through message text
viewer-overlap=3D
# Number of lines from top and bottom of screen where single
# line scrolling occurs.
scroll-margin=3D
# The number of seconds to sleep after writing a status message
status-message-delay=3D
# The approximate number of seconds between checks for new mail
mail-check-interval=3D
# Full path and name of NEWSRC file
newsrc-path=3DC:\PINE\newsrc
# Path and filename of news configation's active file.
# The default is typically "/usr/lib/news/active".
news-active-file-path=3D
# Directory containing system's news data.
# The default is typically "/usr/spool/news"
news-spool-directory=3D
# Path and filename of the program used to upload text from your terminal
# emulator's into Pine's composer.
upload-command=3D
# Text sent to terminal emulator prior to invoking the program defined by
# the upload-command variable.
# Note: _FILE_ will be replaced with the temporary file used in the upload.
upload-command-prefix=3D
# Path and filename of the program used to download text via your terminal
# emulator from Pine's export and save commands.
download-command=3D
# Text sent to terminal emulator prior to invoking the program defined by
# the download-command variable.
# Note: _FILE_ will be replaced with the temporary file used in the downlaod.
download-command-prefix=3D
# Sets the search path for the mailcap cofiguration file.
# NOTE: colon delimited under UNIX, semi-colon delimited under DOS/Windows/OS2.
mailcap-search-path=3D
# Sets the search path for the mimetypes cofiguration file.
# NOTE: colon delimited under UNIX, semi-colon delimited under DOS/Windows/OS2.
mimetype-search-path=3D
# Sets the time in seconds that Pine will attempt to open a network
# connection. The default is 30, the minimum is 5, and the maximum is
# system defined (typically 75).
tcp-open-timeout=3D
# Sets the time in seconds that Pine will attempt to open a UNIX remote
# shell connection. The default is 15, min is 5, and max is unlimited.
# Zero disables rsh altogether.
rsh-open-timeout=3D
# Sets the version number Pine will use as a threshold for offering
# its new version message on startup.
new-version-threshold=3D
# Extension used for local folder names (".MTX" by default).
folder-extension=3DDLU
# Choose: black,blue,green,cyan,red,magenta,yellow,or white (CAPS=3DBLINKING).
normal-foreground-color=3D
normal-background-color=3D
reverse-foreground-color=3D
reverse-background-color=3D
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 18:39:00 -0800
From: "Gregory J. Feig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: (OT) AOL/windows users (was Re: screwed attachments)
On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 03:31:41 -0400, L.D. Best wrote:
> It sickens me that I have a computer which is literally 200 times faster
> than my first computer, but at times runs slower because of the sludge
> and kludge BillyGate$ has filled telephonic interconnectivity with.
> Intel Gives -- Micro$oft Takes.
> That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it!
l.d. .........well, you did alright with that, take a bow...and if
you wanna....you can barf a couple times for me, too....
........gregy
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 18:52:00 -0800
From: "Gregory J. Feig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dead...!!..???
On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 17:24:03 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote:
> Maybe we should all stop using v1.60b1 and go back to v0.9
> At least then we'de have some bugs to comment on.<vbg>
Glenn ......no, it was down for about 10-12 hours....my mailserver
sent me several warnings about "undeliverable" of that "Dead...!!!.."
message....but this evening, I checked and it's now back up....
.......gregy
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 19:04:30 -0800
From: "Gregory J. Feig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kak virus
On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 19:18:26 -0500, Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
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> It has long been believed that it is impossible to transmit a virus with
> an ascii text file. I have recently heard a story that Micro$oft Outlook
> can be infected with a straight-up ascii email message, but I have not
> yet attempted to confirm whether the tale is true.
Sam ......I guess it all depends with what YOUR Client does with that
ascii text message......if it is a .BAT file, and your Brows/Mail/etc
Client opens it and stupidly does what it says to do.....then you can
lose everything on all your HDD and Zip Drives, and maybe even your
CDROM drives...and smoke your monitor, and.....lose your sanity, too.
........gregy
BTW...the way MzSoft et al are going with ActiveX, javajunk, etc, that
is what is really the direction we are heading......except for us
non-aX, non-java retrograde computerists....
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 23:17:08 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Web site has comprehensive reviews of >50 free email sites
Hello:
I'd like to recommend to you folks a website consisting mainly of
reviews of more than 50 web sites offering free web-based email,
free POP3 email, free IMAP email, and many other free web
communications services. Many of the commentaries are written by
the users themselves. The site even offers a users forum. You
can sign up and post your own opinions concerning free internet
communications services. Very informative website. For your reading
pleasure,
go here: http://www.emailaddresses.com/email_special.htm
Enjoy!
Sam Heywood
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Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 22:35:50
From: "Dale Mentzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Dead...!!..???
On 26 Feb 00 at 17:24, Glenn McCorkle wrote:
>> It's still up.
>>But, with so few "problems" in v1.60b1....
>>there's not much for us to talk about.<g>
>>
>> Maybe we should all stop using v1.60b1 and go back to v0.9
>>At least then we'de have some bugs to comment on.<vbg>
Of course, Glenn, you would just report that eveything worked fine
for you. ;)
Regards,
Dale Mentzer
Funny, I don't remember being absent minded.
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 03:48:23 -0500
From: "Sam Ewalt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PC-Pine for DOS doesn't like NWCACHE
On Sat, 26 Feb 2000 18:47:28 -0500, Samuel W. Heywood wrote:
> No problem with the DOS version. PC-PINE, DOS version, does have a nifty way
> of keeping up with the message numbers. I just had a problem trying to figure
> out how to set it up. I needed some help, and I got it. I believe the
> problem with understanding the setup documentation for PC-PINE for DOS
> derives from the instructions having been written apparently by Unix users.
> I don't understand Unix stuff. Never dabbled very much with it. Most Unix
> users don't know how to communicate very well with DOS users, and vice-versa.
PINE (program for internet news and email) is the default email program
on most university networks. It was written and is most often used in
the Unix network environment where it is set-up and configured by
expert system administrators and used by millions of students and
faculty who never have to install it since it resides on the network
servers.
PC-PINE for DOS was written as an accomodation for people who wanted
to have their mail resident on their own computers. I do agree with
you that the documentation is confusing, especially to people like
myself with no experience of Unix networking.
Sam Ewalt
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 05:58:07 -0500 (EST)
From: "Thomas Mueller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re:Arachne on TV - How it looked like
J�rg,
DR-WebSpyder would be somewhere on http://www.lineo.com if it is still
available, or maybe on their FTP server. I don't know if the full path would be
the same as when I downloaded it a few months ago, and there might have been an
update. If you can't find it, maybe you can find an email address where you can
inquire.
Support the International Alliance for Compatible Technology
http://pages.cthome.net/iact/
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 18:16:46 +0800
From: J J Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kak virus
On 26/02/00 Sam Heywood wrote:
>Hello fellow Arachnids:
>
>On Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:53:1 +0800, J J Young made this comment while
>writing on an unrelated subject:
>
>>The only problem has been when the majority were sending HTML-format
>>mail which is displayed as a plain text message followed by the bulky and
>>tiring HTML source. (Since infection by the Kak virus, HTML-format
>>messages are disallowed, but quoted-printable is still an annoyance.
>
>Please enlighten me on how I should interpret the above comment. I know
>nothing about the Kak virus. Is it one that is transmitted by HTML mail?
>Are DOS machines immune to the Kak virus?
Straight from the horse's mouth:
The Kak worm is transmitted by HTML mail and only affects 32-bit Windows.
The quoted message is a reply to a query about email software that can give a
concatenated display of messages i.e. all messages of a particular group (mailbox)
viewed in one document. This format is a great advantage when a high volume of
mail is being dealt with. After all, when we read books we don't have to select a
new document for every paragraph. And how long are our finger joints expected to
last in this IT-age if hundreds of repetitive movements are required each day? I use
keyboard shortcuts a lot for their "bang-bang" control, rather than the precision
required of mousing.
OK, so the concatenation removes the requirement for the bulk of the finger-clickin'
but until a bit of discipline was enforced the vast majority of posters sent HTML
format messages. In the normal run of things I would deal with messages individually
and choose whether or not to open an attachment, but for the list in question I receive
the 250kB digests, each of about 100 messages. Reading these in concacatenated
format before the changes brought about by the Kak worm would require me to view a
message header, then the message and then (more often than not) the HTML part,
about 2x (often more) the bulk of the rest of the message constituents. So, the
useful part of the message may be less than 1/6th of the bulk. If "quoted-printable"
has been used (I don't know what purpose it serves) then junk is introduced into
the text part of the multi-part message, making these sections harder to spot and
to read.
Corresponding directly with some of the posters (usually the over-quoters) gave me
the feedback that people didn't know there was a plain-text option or any of the
reasons why it should be the preferred option. One reply said that Netscape
displayed HTML too, so it must be OK. Another reply was from someone who
finds a colored background easier on his eyes.
So, Sam, my complaining about HTML-mail and quoted-printable was in the context
of reading concatenated messages in a plain-text email client. The Kak virus has
only been a problem to 32-bit Windows users. As such it has been of value to me
and no problem, much as a 30mph zone may annoy motorists but could save my
neck as a cyclist or pedestrian.
Regards,
Jake
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 13:51:04 -0400
From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: cannot open file reply.htp
Can compose mail, but can't respond to it?? So says Arachne.
The file, reply.htp is in the main Arachne directory.
The file doesn't appear to be messed up in any way, since it can be
viewed and shows the full screen with the variable names in the proper
spaces waiting to take their value from Inbox.
I'm off line, have 132 memory [in the green] which goes to 117Mb when
I'm writing this message, only 60 items in cache, and Arachne sees
16Mbytes disk space.
I haven't moved anything around.
So why, all of a sudden, can't InSight reply.dgi find reply.htp ???
HALP!
l.d.
- -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 14:31:14 -0400
From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: cannot open MIME.CFG
Well, checked out some kick-backs of messages to the list, and this time
a new message appeared on my screen, pushed into the dgi as created by
InSight: Cannot Open i:\cable\mime.cfg
I've checked my system for viruses, checked to make certain the files
are where they belong, check to see if the files appear to be correct,
and can find nothing obviously wrong.
After I attempt to send this, and succeeed if I'm lucky, I'll do some
Norton Disk Doctor checking to see if FAT is somehow screwed up or ???
l.d.
- -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 15:23:29 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: memory usage
Repost of continuing problem...
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999 20:28:31 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote:
> I've spent the last hour editing this page to see what's wrong.
> From what I've found...
> Arachne seems to be using conv. memory for "forms".
> The forms and input fields on this page are "eating-up" 57kb.
> http://www.bham.ac.uk/theology/goodacre/multibib.htm
> The forms and input fields for this mail reply screen are
> "eating-up" 12kb.
> IMHO, This is a very big bug.
The above mentioned problem was with v1.50,s.r.c.
I just checked it and v1.60b1 is still using memory in the same way.
(Dos memory(kb) dropped from 139[+] green to 82[+] green)
(v1.50,s.r.c. used 57kb... v1.60b1 vis still using 57kb)
But, it's even worse for eMail than it was in v1.50,s.r.c.
(139[+] green dropped to 123[+] green)
(v1.50,s.r.c. used 12kb... v1.60b1 is using 16kb)
- --
Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA
DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:48:01 -0400
From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: More errors
Someone had said that they were able to use InSight *on*line* but not
off line.
So, with the problems I've been having today, I decided to try it.
Now the reply.htp can be found and loaded,
BUT then InSight says it cannot read the cnm file!
IOW I get to the reply screen, have the person/list I want to reply to
in the TO field, the subject from the message is in the right place, and
the line quoting the person is in the message field.
But nothing else.
It is NOT this installation of Arachne/InSight.
I went back to my previously running just fine for months s.r.c.
installation. Off-line it couldn't load reply.htp.
I installed a new Arachne 1.60b1 on the RAM drive. It also was unable
to open MIME.CFG.
All the 3 installations had two things in common:
1. InBox DGI created the index, and updated after any deletions,
either "right click DEL" or "trash";
2. When viewing the mail there were no buttons for INDEX, previous
message, or next message.
I have NO idea what went wrong between early this morning and this
afternoon. But I am not the cause of the problem, nor is my system. I
can even access [shudderrrrrr] WIN3.1 and run programs, but InSight
can't open files that are there in plain sight. :<
l.d.
- -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2000 18:27:39 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: More errors
On Sun, 27 Feb 2000 17:48:01 -0400, L.D. Best wrote:
> Someone had said that they were able to use InSight *on*line* but not
> off line.
<snip>
Here is the solution to the "problem".....
- ---clipped from arachne-digest v01.n957---
> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 21:18:44 -0500
> From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: The mail problem...
> * This message is in MIME format.
> - --MIME-multipart-message-boundary-948248324
> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:55:39 +0100, Michael Polak wrote:
> It may be related to free memory, if it happens offline and not online.
> Some fine tuning may be needed:
> Is message for offline "just a monent" and for online "Would you like to
> have some coffee ?" if yes, than it means that with PPP loaded, Arachhne
> doesn't even try to stuff Insight.exe into memory and swaps out.
> Without PPPD, it looks like Insight would fit there, but it fails.
> Please send me your Dos memory values online and offline. Maybe
> MIME.CFG lines need some re-adjusting... try to increase the [xx] values
> for Insight mail indexes by 5 KB, or so...
Yes, that's it.
- - - v1.60b1 v1.50,s.r.c.
Online viewing mail.htm, 71[+] green 93[+] green
(linking to inbox.dgi works fine)
- - - v1.60b1 v1.50,s.r.c.
Offline viewing mail.htm, 140[+] green 162[+] green
(_try_ to link to inbox.dgi .... see attached .htm)
Does "farcoreleft=40480" tell you anything???
So, we have 2 options....
1) Increase all [???] for insight by 5kb (10kb to be even safer)<g>
or we could....
2) Delete all [???] for insight (always swap out)
(#2 might cause a slow-down on older machines)
BTW, Insight still thinks that it is "Mailman"<g>
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- --
Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA
DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/
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