arachne-digest        Tuesday, March 14 2000        Volume 01 : Number 1038




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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:02:13 -0800 (PST)
From: "Jorge Alex Ortega O." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Hotmail.com probs

> More on Crosswinds [net] ...
I think that there are some trouble with the DNS
 server in this server :(... 
> > Then I wrote:
> 
> > [swh] Hola Jorge - Wrong name of URL. Not
> crosswinds.com, it is
> > [swh] crosswinds.net
Where i have ear this before?????
> > [swh] I found out that http://www.crosswinds.com
> exists also, but it does not
> > [swh] offer email services. Crosswinds.com would
> be a good site to visit if
> > [swh] you are planning on moving to Detroit.
DETROIT????? with so much efforts i can get moving in
the subway!!! :D HA HA HA HA HA :)
it appears they do not offer web-based
> mail, but they do offer
> > IMAP email, in which you will need to configure
> your own email client to
> > use the web-site's mail servers. The kind of
> email service offered by
> > crosswinds should not be compared to hotmail
> because it is not
> > web-based mail. Yes, you probably could use it
> with Arachne, or with any
> > other program having its own internet email
> client.
Hmmm... i've to see this...

See ya!!!
J.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

PS: Have someone notice that every week i change the
last two lines (yes!!! those lines wich have the '@'
sign)???? :D



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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:25:04 -0600
From: "BRIAN RENFROW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Where o Where Is DOS

Please, can someone tell me where to find any type of DOS?  I've been
searching for days to find a downloadable DOS.

Thanks,

Brian D. Renfrow

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:31:58 +0100
From: "Willy J. Hoogstraten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: new function concerning script contents ??

Hi,

On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:20:00 +0100 (CET), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) wrote:

> CB> It is well known, that Arachne probably never will support
> CB> Java-Script.

> I don't think that it is well known ...
> Michael said that he is working on a JS implementation.
> And that there is already code produced.

One of the reasons I like Arachne is that it is small and fast. I use
only 16 colors, no auto d/l of images. If there ever will be Java support,
I hope one can turn it off and chop it out of the package (maybe it can
come as an APM). Somebody else already said it:

   help stamp out fatware!


- - Best regards,

- - Willy J. Hoogstraten.

- - End of message -

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 01:56:58 +0100
From: "Willy J. Hoogstraten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: new function concerning script contents ??

Hi,

On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:20:00 +0100 (CET), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) wrote:

> CB> It is well known, that Arachne probably never will support
> CB> Java-Script.

> I don't think that it is well known ...
> Michael said that he is working on a JS implementation.
> And that there is already code produced.

I guess that instead of adding new functions to Arachne, it should be better
to make a stable release out of the current version (look at Insight, it is
terrible!).
Some _BIG_ companies already proved that releasing new functions without
solving old bugs, lead to big monsters without much reliability.
If Java Support will be as buggy as Arachne is right now, I guess we can
better search for another browser (or write one ourselves under GPL).


- - Best regards,

- - Willy J. Hoogstraten.

- - End of message -

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:29:15 -0500
From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where o Where Is DOS

BRIAN RENFROW wrote:
> 
> Please, can someone tell me where to find any type of DOS?  I've been
> searching for days to find a downloadable DOS.

Hi Brian;
There is a good selection at: http://abanware.cjb.net/

But just because they say it's abandoned doesn't necessarily mean
the copyright is really abandoned.  They have informed me that as a
group, they are trying to get some of this software moved officially
to the free domain.

Right now I guess all you could say is if you don't pay for it, it's free
- - until someone complains.

- -  Clarence Verge
- --
- -  Help stamp out FATWARE.  As a start visit: http://home.arachne.cz/
- --

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:40:30 -0500
From: Roger Turk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Where o Where Is DOS

Brian,

I just downloaded DR-DOS 7.03 from lineo's web site, 
www.lineo.com/products/drdos.html.

Beware, it is 6.3 MB, and they don't tell you that before the download 
commences.

Roger Turk
Tucson, Arizona

Brian Renfrow wrote:

Please, can someone tell me where to find any type of DOS?  I've been
searching for days to find a downloadable DOS.

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:40:25 -0500
From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DJPEG 32-bit

Bernie wrote:
> 
> Now if Clarence, which seems to be much better on these test than me, can
> do his standard test with the 32-bit version that would be great for
> comparision. (And we'll get some benchmarks on how well it performs on an
> older computer as well).

And probably some complaints about the unmentioned extra software required
to switch to 32-bit mode ?

Hi Bernie;
Sure I'll try it. Just let me know where/when I can get it and remember I
can't seem to download APMs.

- -  Clarence Verge
- --
- -  Help stamp out FATWARE.  As a start visit: http://home.arachne.cz/
- --

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:35:25 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where o Where Is DOS

On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:40:30 -0500, Roger Turk wrote:

> Brian,

> I just downloaded DR-DOS 7.03 from lineo's web site,
> www.lineo.com/products/drdos.html.

> Beware, it is 6.3 MB, and they don't tell you that before the download
> commences.

 For future reference.....

- ---recently sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----

On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 20:49:22 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote:

> Yes, let's hope that they do decide to GPL the SRC code.
> (including all of the utilities)
> In the mean time, here's what's still available for download from Lineo.

> Directory listing of ftp://ftp.lineo.com/pub/devsup/drdos/
> 24549 Oct 12 23:34 diskcopy.com
> 6212696 Oct 12 23:34 dr702.exe
> 6243908 Oct 12 23:34 dr703.exe
> 61732 Oct 12 23:34 drdos331.zip
> 62658 Oct 12 23:34 drdos332.zip
> 62807 Oct 12 23:34 drdos333.zip
> 61143 Oct 12 23:34 drdos334.zip
> 61488 Oct 12 23:34 drdos335.zip
> 62506 Oct 12 23:34 drdos340.zip
> 64666 Oct 12 23:34 drdos341.zip
> 68781 Oct 12 23:34 drdos341b.zip
> 64868 Oct 12 23:34 drdos341t.zip
> 69352 Oct 12 23:34 drdos50.zip
> 70687 Oct 12 23:34 drdos50b2.zip
> 70042 Oct 12 23:34 drdos50b3.zip
> 80838 Oct 12 23:34 drdos60.zip
> 87628 Oct 12 23:34 novldos7.zip
> 85387 Oct 12 23:34 novldos7b3.zip
> 6007761 Oct 12 23:34 od701.exe

> In addition, I have the SRC code for....
> IBMBIO.COM, IBMDOS.COM and COMMAND.COM (OpenDos v7.01)
> (the license agreement allows for redistribution of the unaltered zip file)
> If anyone would like a copy of dossrc.zip
> Just say the word and I'll eMail it to you as soon as possible.
- -----------------

- --
Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA
DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
            Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
   Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
      http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:19:34 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Charset in insight (LONG, possibly OT)

On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 03:21:34 -0500, Samuel W. Heywood wrote:

> Net-Tamer may be used for sending and receiving messages in most European
> languages provided that both the receiver and sender use the same code
> page.

 Now you're getting the idea.<g>

When in Arachne, we are not useing the codepage which is used while at
the DOS command prompt. We are useing the particular character set which
we've chosen in our "local settings".

 If you and I have the same local settings....
(ISO-8859-1 for HTML, ISO-8859-1 for outgoing eMail)
Then every message which you and I send and recieve between each other
will be viewed exactly the same on both of our screens.

 But, if I change my settings to ISO-8859-2 for HTML then......
Messages you sent using ISO-8859-1 for outgoing eMail will not be viewed
correctly on my end. (some characters will... some won't)

 Conversely, if we use US-ASCII for outgoing eMails....
They won't display correctly in Arachne but will display correctly at
the DOS prompt. (type 62798730.cnm)

<�������������>
 |           |
128---------140

Shell-out to DOS and view this .cnm with the "type" command or with
your favorite text viewer/editor.

 If your are not using a codepage (or text viewer/editor), which is the
same as the character set that Arachne is using to view HTML.....
You will not see the same thing between the above <>s as you are seeing
right now.

 The same applies even if you're not using Arachne right now.
(IE and NS do not display the same as the DOS "type" command unless you
have set them to use the same charcter set as the codepage which is
being used for DOS)

 This also applies to every program ever written which uses something
other than the DOS codepage for viewing files.

Xtree-pro uses the DOS codepage.
So, "type filename" and "v" while in XTPRO look the same.
So does edit.com, list.com, view.exe, viewer.exe, etc...etc...etc....

> OK, this is very good to know.  How much memory do you think I would lose
> by changing my code page to Latin-1?

I'll go do it and be right back with the answer.
- ---------------------

Memory Type      Total Bytes ( Kbytes  )  Available For Programs

Conventional           655,360 (    640K )    623,536 (    609K )
Upper                  307,040 (    300K )    128,800 (    126K )
High                    65,520 (     64K )      3,096 (      3K )
Extended            66,060,288 ( 64,512K )          0 (      0K )
Extended via XMS          --------          6,804,480 (  6,645K )
EMS                 83,017,728 ( 81,072K ) 81,264,640 ( 79,360K )

Largest executable program:  623,328 ( 609K )                               � 
Total Free DOS memory:       752,336 ( 735K )                               � 
                                                                                
[OPENDOS 7.01] C:\>chcp                                                         
Active Code Page is 437                                                         
                                                                                
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Memory Type      Total Bytes ( Kbytes  )  Available For Programs

Conventional         655,360 (    640K )      623,536 (    609K )
Upper                307,040 (    300K )      128,800 (    126K )
High                  65,520 (     64K )        2,158 (      2K )
Extended          66,060,288 ( 64,512K )            0 (      0K )
Extended via XMS        --------            6,804,480 (  6,645K )
EMS               83,017,728 ( 81,072K )   81,264,640 ( 79,360K )

Largest executable program:  623,328 ( 609K )                               � 
Total Free DOS memory:       752,336 ( 735K )                               � 
                                                                                
[OPENDOS 7.01] C:\>chcp                                                         
Active Code Page is 850                                                         
                                                                                
- ---------------------------

 Well, there's the answer... not one byte.

- --
Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA
DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
            Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
   Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
      http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:23:59 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where o Where Is DOS

On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:25:04 -0600, BRIAN RENFROW wrote:

> Please, can someone tell me where to find any type of DOS?  I've been
> searching for days to find a downloadable DOS.

- ---repost of my message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] dated....Tue, 11 Jan 2000---

 Here's (just about) anything you could need in the way of
previous OpenDos/DrDos stuff.

http://www.lineo.com/support/archive/drdos/drdos.html

On Tue, 11 Jan 2000 21:03:49 -0500, Francwa Sims wrote:

> Excuse me,

> I am having trouble finding OpenDOS? Caldera does not have it.
> Caldera UK does not have it. Where can I find OpenDOS?

- ---------end repost---------

Here's another one......
(the graphic web-browser included with PTS-DOS 2000 is...... Arachne)

On Wed, 19 Jan 2000 03:35:36 +0200, Sergei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bernie told me few days ago about PTS DOS.
> Nothing interesting as for me, but package have
> graphic web-browser, e-mail-client, ftp-client, telnet,
> dial-up, as they say at website.
> Requirements: i286 CPU or better, 512kb RAM or more

> Someone saw that browser ? How it looks?
> Can it compete with Arachne ?

> Full-functional english and german version available at
> http://www.PhysTechSoft.com/en/ptsdos/download.html
> Size near 2.3 MB.

> Sergei
> --

- --
Glenn McCorkle [EMAIL PROTECTED] North Jackson, Ohio, USA
DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
            Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
   Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
      http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:59:21 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Charset in insight (very short reply)

On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:02:49 +0100 (CET), Richard Menedetter wrote:

<snipped all>

Thank you very much for explaining things to me and clearing up my
questions on this matter.  I think I will try installing a Latin-1 code
page and conduct a few tests and experiments.  I don't think I will want
to stick with it because of the additional strain on my memory resourses.
One of my email applications has very serious memory problems:  PC-PINE
for DOS.  I use it for accessing newsgroups when logged on to an IMAP
server.

All the best,

Sam Heywood
- -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:25:55 -0500 (EST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric S. Emerson)
Subject: Re: new function concerning script contents ??

Richard Menedetter wrote:
> <snip>
>-=> I can't use Windows. My cat ate my mouse <=-
>

Hi Ricsi,
         I once knew a dog that ate a mitten while it
was still attached to a young child by a string. The 
dog's owner had to get her scissors and cut the string
connecting the dog to the child. Get out your scissors
and cut your cat loose --or-- maybe if you rub the cat's
stomach the pointer will move, but it's probably pretty
tough to double click!

       Eric


- --
             __________
            |  Ayrx |__\_       Eric S. Emerson
            | E-male:~_: !      [EMAIL PROTECTED]
            `~(*)~~~~(*)~'      `````````````````````````    

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 23:23:49 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Charset in insight (LONG, possibly OT)

On Mon, 13 Mar 2000 21:19:34 -0500, Glenn McCorkle wrote:

<snip>

> Conversely, if we use US-ASCII for outgoing eMails....
> They won't display correctly in Arachne but will display correctly at
> the DOS prompt. (type 62798730.cnm)

<snip>

Thanks a lot for the info Glenn.  I've already conducted experiments
that confirm what you have stated above.

Also thanks a lot for checking out your memory configuration for any
possible changes that I would have expected to result from making
changes in codepages.  I am very much surprised to hear from you that
you have experienced no change.  I'll try it myself.

All the best,

Sam Heywood
- -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:05:25 -0500 (EST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Howard Eisenberger)
Subject: Re: Charset in Insight

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> How do you use codepage 819, equivalent to ISO-8859-1, if such a
> codepage doesn't exist?  I couldn't find such a codepage for
> DR-DOS 7.03 or MS-DOS 5.

See http://www.ncf.ca/ncf/pda/computer/dos/util/. CP819 is there
along with tools to extract and load individual vga text fonts,
so that it is not necessary to use codepages at all. You can even
edit your own fonts.

> What is the function of characters 128 to 159 (decimal) in ISO-8859-1?

Undefined. Windows uses them for box drawing characters.

> DOS modem programs like TELIX, PROCOMM PLUS and TELEMATE are intended
> for connecting to a BBS, not the Internet.

Also widely used to connect to Unix hosts (shell accounts) which
definitely use ISO-LATIN-1.

> Some BBSes use upper ASCII box characters for that purpose, so they
> depend on the DOS and OS/2 standard.

With DOS-style BBS's you can just switch back to CP437.

> Minicom for Linux also shows these boxes correctly if started with l
> parameter, otherwise upper ASCII characters are f___ed up and not
> compatible with anything, including ISO-8859-1.

Depends on which version of Minicom you are using and how your system
is set up. You can also load different vga text fonts in Linux. I have
an old Latin-1 font file that I hacked for DOS that I can also use in
Linux.

Howard E.

- -- 
... DOS TCP/IP * <URL:http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ag221/dosppp.html>

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:05:24 -0500 (EST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Howard Eisenberger)
Subject: Re: Arachne - Free Internet ISPs ?

"Norman C. Leet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There are a growing number of "Free Internet ISPs" showing up
> in recent months, however they all seem to require Windows 95/98
> as a pre-requisite (to support the advertising scheme, I would
> suppose).
>
> Has anyone come across a "free ISP" that can accessed via Arachne
> from a DOS based machine?

I am using DOS with freewwweb (U.S.A. and Canada). I signed up with
TCI: Freewwweb 4 Linux at http://www.teledyn.com/products/FreeWWW/ .
Standard PPP account. Clear instructions and nothing to download.

The only problem is that you have to use a secure browser (https) to
register. I used Lynx with SSL from the shell account at my non-free
ISP.

Howard Eisenberger
Ottawa

- -- 
... DOS TCP/IP * <URL:http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ag221/dosppp.html>

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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:37:47 -0600
From: "BRIAN RENFROW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where O Where Is DOS

<snip>
If anyone would like a copy of dossrc.zip
Just say the word and I'll eMail it to you as soon as possible.

"The Word"  Please send it to me.. Thanks in advance..

Brian D. Renfrow  

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:49:20 +0100 (MET)
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DJPEG 32-bit

Clarence wrote:
>And probably some complaints about the unmentioned extra software required
>to switch to 32-bit mode ?

I thought of that as I went into bed ;)

>Sure I'll try it. Just let me know where/when I can get it and remember I
>can't seem to download APMs.

It'll be on http://home.arachne.cz/download/ in an hour (8.45 GMT+1). You
can't download APMs from the main site either?
Hmm... I'll add this then http://bernie.arachne.cz/download/djpeg32.zip

What version of Arachne are you using and what is the exact problem with APMs?
//Bernie
http://bernie.arachne.cz/ DOS programs, Star Wars ...

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:53:21 +0100 (MET)
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DJPEG 32-bit

Dale wrote:
>Couldn't you include both versions, with the 386+ version renamed and 
>then when Arachne detects that your machine is a 386+ or better it 
>would offer you the opportunity to use either version by renaming 
>both files appropriately depending upon your choice. Of course the 
>default would be the 16 bit version.

Good idea, no make that great, (and very easy) - but Arachne doesn't detect
that you have a 386 or better - it just tests if your computer is fast
enough to perform some CPU and disk benchmarks under a certain time. This
could perhaps give someone with a very fast 286 problems, but I'm not
certain (extreme case = someone on this list will be able to get problems
<G>). I'll see if I can't add some CPU type detection to the configuration
wizard. (And if I find it information on how much files= is without reading
c:\config.sys)
//Bernie
http://bernie.arachne.cz/ DOS programs, Star Wars ...

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 09:18:50 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: new function concerning script contents ??

Hi

"Willy J. Hoogstraten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 >> CB> It is well known, that Arachne probably never will support
 >> CB> Java-Script.
 >> I don't think that it is well known ...
 >> Michael said that he is working on a JS implementation.
 >> And that there is already code produced.

 WH> If there ever will be Java support, I hope one can turn it off
OK ... Java != Java Script !!
There probably will be JavaScript support, and YES it can be disabled.
NO there will IMHO never be Java support.

 WH> - Best regards,
 WH> - Willy J. Hoogstraten.

CU, Ricsi

- -- 
Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 7659421] {RSA-PGP Key avail.}
- -=> A nuclear war can ruin your whole day... <=-

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:01:39 +0100 (MET)
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux help

Wayne wrote:
>I have recently set up a machine (pentiium 133) with linux 6.0 complete
>operating system.

There's no 6.0 out yet (Linux is still on 2). You probably mean a ceratin
distro. Perhaps you can specify which? (Red Hat?)

>Does anyone know how to stop linux at the bash prompt during bootup.
(hotkey) I
>would like to be able to choose either x or bash during boot without
having to
>run xconfigurator.   Last time I tried this I lost my exit commands from
the x
>logout box. (how can I get these back without reinstalling).

Wouldn't it be easier to:

1. Choose another console (press CTRL-ALT-F2 for instance)
2. Don't start x automatic - start it via "startx" (will save RAM)

>I like the software and the way it runs, just have to sort out a few little
>things like the one above. And setup rescue disks when learn how .
>Very different to what I'm used to frustrating at first but now that I'm
>learning a bit (very little bit so far) about it it is becoming less so.
>I have had  a couple of lockups while using x and kde unable to access xkill
>and nothing else works only choice is to power down cntrl, alt Del doesn't
work.

Have you attempted to use another console? I've only been able to look
Linux once. Netscape on the other hand crashes very often (xkill always
fixes it). (I've been told this is due to the fact that I want to use the
keyboard instead of the mouse).
//Bernie
http://bernie.arachne.cz/ DOS programs, Star Wars ...

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:01:40 +0100 (MET)
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: new function concerning script contents ??

Willy J. Hoogstraten wrote:
>I guess that instead of adding new functions to Arachne, it should be better
>to make a stable release out of the current version (look at Insight, it is
>terrible!).

I find it very stable as it is :)

>Some _BIG_ companies already proved that releasing new functions without
>solving old bugs, lead to big monsters without much reliability.
>If Java Support will be as buggy as Arachne is right now, I guess we can
>better search for another browser (or write one ourselves under GPL).

Noone has talked about *Java* support. Please can we just once and for all
get the facts clear on this matter.
Java and Javascript has the four following things in common:

1. The first  letter in the name is a  "J"
2. The second letter in the name is an "a"
3. The third  letter in the name is a  "v"
4. The fourth letter in the name is an "a"

And that's it. (Ok, they are both object oriented - but C++ and Java has
more in common for example).

Java will probably not be introduced (and IMHO that's the best choice).
JavaScript on the other hand isn't that difficult to add - except that it's
very large (perhaps a subset can be supported?) and that it makes pages
dynamic.

These are the most common used JS functions:
document.open()
document.writeln()
window.status()
on*()

And to test what JS version is available (most typically tested by looking
for browser or browser version), if/else statments and time handling.

Of course I've probably left some out - but Arachne doesn't need all the
weird functions that are possible (how many use a cos() function on a page
anyway - I've only seen one and that was for benchmarking on the browser).
//Bernie
http://bernie.arachne.cz/ DOS programs, Star Wars ...

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:03:50 +0100 (MET)
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DJPEG 32-bit

I wrote:
>It'll be on http://home.arachne.cz/download/ in an hour (8.45 GMT+1). You
>can't download APMs from the main site either?
>Hmm... I'll add this then http://bernie.arachne.cz/download/djpeg32.zip

Ok, it's at http://home.arachne.cz/download/ as a ZIP file - the APM file
wasn't working when I came to school with the floppy. (How I hate floppies!)
//Bernie
http://bernie.arachne.cz/ DOS programs, Star Wars ...

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 05:36:10 -0500
From: Gloria Burd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Where o Where Is DOS

How does DR-DOS differ from MS-DOS?  What advantages does DR-DOS offer, for
instance, over MS-DOS 6.2 (which I have)? 

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:52:14 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: Charset in insight (very short reply)

Hi

"Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 SH> Thank you very much for explaining things to me and clearing up my
 SH> questions on this matter.
I'm sorry, that I couldn't explain it any better ...

 SH> I don't think I will want to stick with it because of the additional
 SH> strain on my memory resourses.
Hmm .. don't you have any UMBs left ??? if there are 9 KB free, than you
can load it high, and this will cause no impact for low mem.

Although Glenn wrote that DrDos needs no memory for additional CPs.

The bigger problem IMHO is that many programs use graphic lines, which are
not present in latin1.

 SH> All the best,
 SH> Sam Heywood

CU, Ricsi

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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:10:01 -0500
From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DJPEG 32-bit

Bernie wrote:
>
> What version of Arachne are you using and what is the exact problem with
> APMs?

Bernie, I think you have a memory leak. 
Remember ? You said "AHA !" when you found I couldn't download APMs with
names longer than 6 (I think) or so characters.

> Ok, it's at http://home.arachne.cz/download/ as a ZIP file - the APM file
> wasn't working when I came to school with the floppy. (How I hate floppies!)

Well, I think zips are a much more civilized download package. The Arachne
APM system is one of its' less attractive features. I really hate software
that can mess up my setup or harddisk.
I want to make the decision to install *AFTER* I test it.

p.s. I got it. I'll try it in a couple of hours.

- -  Clarence Verge
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 14:32:27 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Arachne - Free Internet ISPs ? 

I belong to a list about Free ISPs and from what I can tell, the only 
one that would work is freewwweb.  The rest all require you to use 
software from them that can only be run from Win9X.

Matt

On 12 Mar 00, at 15:23, Norman C. Leet wrote:

> There are a growing number of "Free Internet ISPs" showing up
> in recent months, however they all seem to require Windows 95/98
> as a pre-requisite (to support the advertising scheme, I would
> suppose).
> 
> Has anyone come across a "free ISP" that can accessed via Arachne from
> a DOS based machine?
> 
> -Norm Leet
> internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 

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