On 13/2/19 8:17 am, Levente Polyak via arch-dev-public wrote: > On 2/12/19 7:16 PM, Gaetan Bisson via arch-dev-public wrote: >> [2019-02-12 16:40:08 +0100] Bruno Pagani via arch-dev-public: >>> Just in case it wasn’t clear, my answer would have been mostly the same >>> as Eli’s. >>> >>> So, Gaetan, Allan and Bartłomiej (or anyone else for that matter), do >>> you have further comments/questions regarding this, does the existence >>> of the base group alongside the arch/minimal-system now makes sense or >>> would you still prefer to go without it? >> >> Allan and I have both stated that we don't want to introduce a new group >> since we believe it would be highly redundant with base. >> >> Nothing new has been said since our last messages except Eli's post >> which argues that the base group is largely inadequate in its current >> state. This further supports our proposal that base should be improved >> instead of introducing a new group. >> >> So I really don't see what arguments could have changed our minds... >> It's also strange to me how you can concur with Eli's post without >> agreeing with our conclusions. >> >> To go forward I suggest you propose a clear definition of the perfect >> "minimal system" group you'd want to have, along with a proposed list of >> packages. When consensus is reached, we adopt this list of packages for >> base and put this definition on the wiki. >> >> Cheers. >> > > To make it as short as possible, the idea is not just to strip down the > base group further but primarily to not use a group in the first place. > It should be replaced with something that is consistent within itself > over the whole lifetime of the system. > Groups are the wrong tool for such a set: you explicitly install all > those packages so they won't automatically be mark as not-required > anymore once removed from that group, as well as new additions are not > consistent during the lifetime of the system.
We are clear about that. Call it a group or metapackage or whatever, the objection is having the current base and the new "group" at the same time. A