On 5/2/19 11:38 pm, Bruno Pagani wrote: > Maybe. As I said in my answer to Bartłomiej, I don’t know if beginners > know enough things to install what they need beyond the minimum system, > or if they just read the wiki about doing this or that, which might > assume they have the current base group installed.
If only the wiki wasn't a static document, and could be updated after any change was made... Even then I am fairly sure people wanting to set-up LVM can install the lvm package. But I see "competent Linux user" has been removed from the front page, so maybe we target idiots these days. >> If we remove the excess from base, then we are down to a very small >> difference between that and archlinux-system. Only e2fsprogs, man, and >> an editor different? >> >> So I see the proposed archlinux-system group being essentially what base >> should be. > > That is because you see base as the minimal system. So I’ll turn this > differently: do you have objections against having, outside of the > minimal meta-package described in our proposal, a packages group of > “relatively standard” tools, that is purposed at beginner wanting to > have only one simple pacstrap command to issue in order to get started? > > Or put it yet another way: outside of this base group, does our proposal > of a minimal metapackage suits you? If so, why does it matter to you > that there is also a base group, provided the name is not subject to > confusion, that has this metapackage plus other tools (that e.g. people > coming from random other distro would expect to have at hand from the > start), knowing that you would likely have almost no interactions with > this group? If not, then I’m even more importantly waiting for your > comments. I don't object to redefining the minimal set of packages we expect installed and making it a metapackage. Currently base is bloated, and a metapackage makes some sense. archlinux-system - minimal set of packages base-devel - collection of utilities most people expect installed So where does that leave base? base - a smaller collection of utilities most people expect installed I see redundancy being created. That is what I object to. Allan