On Jun 2, 2007, at 11:42 PM, Leif Thande wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm writing to the list to inform you about the progress in the french > Arch community, or should I say, the total lack of progress. > > Since 4 days now, I'm trying to get both side to talk to each other. I > tried to schedule a discussion between both groups. I discussed with > the archlinuxfr.org side during an hour and a half just to try to > define the conditions of the discussion, to avoid it falling in a > round of insults that would lead nowhere. During all the conversation, > Benoit disagreed almost to every suggestion I made, arguing that if a > discussion was to take place, it would be following his rules. The > archlinux.fr asked that benoitc doesn't take part directly in the > discussion to avoid problems, which he never accepted. If you want to > make your own idea, you can read the whole log of the discussion here > (in french ) :
That what we call negociating. And we were agree yesterday. So don't say there was no progress. You just decide to stop discussions. And I was waiting for a date. So YOU decided to stop. > > http://ourserver.homelinux.org/leif/% > 23archlinuxfr_2007-06-01_16h45.txt > > I then tried to get both side to set a day the discussion would take > place. An offer was made by both side for this weekend , now Benoit > just decided on an impulse that it isn't possible until next week. I always said it was only possible from saturday 9. 3 times, 3 mails. You didnd't understand. Not my fault. And where is exactly the problem by the way ? > > I then went to talk to Benoit on IRC, and guess what, I got kicked of > the channel. No. You were unpolite and take others for idiots. > > This circus has lasted long enough. my patience has limits and it's > been reached. Benoit is making all he can to keep the process from > moving on. > > > Considering this, I'm not interested anymore in taking part in this > discussion. If someone is willing to give it a try, go for it, but be > sure to know there will be serious obstruction in your way. > > Also, I'm asking the Arch developers the two following things : > > 1) Add http://forums.archlinux.fr/ to the Non-English Forums list on > the archlinux.org website. > > 2) Ask Benoit to remove the the "official" mention on archlinux.org > since he is clearly not representing the majority of the french > community and he isn't doing anything to get along with whoever > contradicts him. > You are not the only one users. Many users use archlinuxfr.org. There was no community before I launched archlinuxfr.org. Just french users somewhere. So don't forget that this is the users that create a community no some leaders or such things > > For my part, I'm joining archlinux.fr and encourage every french user > to join this website. If Benoit wants to manage his website like his > own toy, we can't keep him from doing it, but we can express that we > clearly disagree with the way he chose. > You already did it from a long time. > > I wish this would had brought a better outcome, but this is clearly > not possible for the reasons previously mentioned. Your choice not mine. > > > Sincerely yours, > > > Leif Thande > > _______________________________________________ arch mailing list [email protected] http://archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch
